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  • Originally posted by Reindeer View Post
    I have plenty of friends with felonies, weird meds and alcohol issues who could just walk into a gun store with money and leave with less money and a gun.
    Where do you live that allows felons to legally purchase guns?

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    • Originally posted by Reindeer View Post
      Make sure criminals can't actually get guns. By regulating them and getting background checks for people who want to buy legally, which would be nice a start. I don't know in what state you live in or the laws of it, but I have plenty of friends with felonies, weird meds and alcohol issues who could just walk into a gun store with money and leave with less money and a gun. Hell I have friends who aren't even american citizens (and therefore have no easily accessible criminal records) who did the same. Those were legal gun stores.

      It doesn't matter what laws you have if they are not being followed. If they're not being followed, you go in heavy on the regulations, the control checks, and heavy punishment by law for people who break those laws.
      You're either lying or your scumbag friends have illegal ties to gun dealers. The stuff you are talking about is felonious. So more criminals committing crimes. Now tell us how to stop scum from being scum and we'll have the entire issue solved

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      • Originally posted by Mr. Anthony View Post
        Where do you live that allows felons to legally purchase guns?

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        In Sweden, and you sure as hell cannot do that here. You have to wait several weeks after ordering the gun to get it, just to start with.. Plenty of american friends though, in several states. Alberta, NY suburbs, Florida... Hell I've tried it myself in a couple of places just to prove the point and if I was serious about it I would've gotten away with it in at least one or two stores I visited. Granted I don't have any felonies, but they also did not actually make any attempt to check every time.

        I dunno. Maybe I'm just high strung about it because the attitude in my own country is so different from the US gun climate. Maybe I just saw some really shitty store owners by sheer fluke. Maybe it was some sort of gender stereotypes resulting from me being female and therefore automatically assumed to be harmless or something. Maybe you have a different point of view from actually living in the states. Maybe some of my friends blow up their own stories. All I can do is report my own experiences tho and I'm really not impressed by how Americans handle guns. That's all I'm saying.
        Last edited by Reindeer; 12-04-2013, 02:53 PM.

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        • In fairness, I don't think having a felony on your record automatically prevents you from buying a gun. I think the felony has to be violent, related to drug trafficking, or the term for which was more than one year in prison. Someone with more legal knowledge can chime in and correct me if I'm wrong here.

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          • Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
            I didn't bookmark the page, but I'm sure it's easily googled. Actually, the percentage of homes that report owning guns is down from the 1970s. Then, 50% of homes had guns; now about 30%. Some of the reasons given are more single person homes, and more women living alone as men are five times more likely to own a gun as are women.
            I wouldn't be too sure about those numbers. If a survey asked me whether or not there were guns in my home, I'd say no. A lot of other guns owners would do the same.
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            • Originally posted by Jarrod Schroeder View Post
              I'd just like to point out that the Bill Of Rights does actually contain a list of things that government is NOT allowed to ban / regulate / control.
              Yet we all know that you're not allowed to shout "fire" in a crowded theater.

              The authors of the Bill of Rights wrote the word "arms". If that's an absolute, then why not allow flame-throwers or SAM's?

              There is a democratic process here but we are a representative republic, not a "true" democracy in the way most people think of it. If a majority wanted to vote to censor or limit what people could talk or write about, or require people to testify against themselves, or outlaw a particular religion, etc., short of actually amending the constitution first, that wouldn't fly.
              Of course it "flies". See Bradey Manning or Julian Assange or William Snowden. Of course it's not those horrible democratic mobs but the vaunted represenatives that are doing the persecuting.
              Last edited by Rojo; 12-04-2013, 03:06 PM.

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              • Originally posted by Jefferson1775 View Post
                I wouldn't be too sure about those numbers. If a survey asked me whether or not there were guns in my home, I'd say no. A lot of other guns owners would do the same.
                Good point. Same percentage of guns, but a higher percentage of (justified) paranoia.
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                • Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
                  We make decisions like that because of actual data from experts. Not because a politician with a proven agenda says we should.
                  Yes, politicians have agenda. So do trial lawyers. Juries ultimately decide. I don't know your point really. Gun violence can effect gun owner and non-gun-owner alike. If someone from the NRA wants to testify that clip size wouldn't make a difference, then they should testify.

                  The problem is that we can't do the simplest deliberation without a sizeable chunk of the population shouting about 2nd amendment.

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                  • Originally posted by Reindeer View Post
                    Hell I've tried it myself in a couple of places just to prove the point and if I was serious about it I would've gotten away with it in at least one or two stores I visited. Granted I don't have any felonies, but they also did not actually make any attempt to check every time.
                    The fact that you didn't actually go through with it leads me to believe that you didn't get to the point where you fill out the form with all your personal information, swearing that you are not prohibited from possessing a firearm, and they run your information through the National Instant Check System.

                    Granted, there are issues with that NICS, however one of the greatest issues is that our government often declines to investigate or prosecute those who commit perjury on that form. See Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                    Last edited by jfreaksho; 12-04-2013, 03:11 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                      So again I ask, how would taking my guns and the guns of the law abiding citizens make this country a safer place?
                      Ask this in Newtown.

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                      • Originally posted by Rojo View Post
                        Yet we all know that you're not allowed to shout "fire" in a crowded theater.

                        The authors of the Bill of Rights wrote the word "arms". If that's an absolute, then why not allow flame-throwers or SAM's?
                        You have zero point. More fallacies. I, honestly, would not care about the same defensive gun owner owning a nuclear bomb, flame thrower, or whatever, because they're not the ones who you should be worrying about.
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                        • Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                          Good point. Same percentage of guns, but a higher percentage of (justified) paranoia.
                          You got that right. After I lost all my guns in that canoeing accident, I bought some more and lost them in a row boat accident .
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                          • Originally posted by Rojo View Post
                            If someone from the NRA wants to testify that clip size wouldn't make a difference, then they should testify.
                            Bahahaha!
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                            • i keep seeing people say that americans can just walk in any store and get a gun

                              am i literally in the lone state that does background checks? where people with criminal or mental records can't get guns?
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                              • Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
                                i keep seeing people say that americans can just walk in any store and get a gun

                                am i literally in the lone state that does background checks? where people with criminal or mental records can't get guns?
                                The funny thing is these statements are completely contradicted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Again, the problem is illegal activity, which a gun ban will do nothing to stop, and only exasperate the problem. I hate when I spend so much time actually providing sources and no one pays attention to them. Sources from the government no less.

                                I guess that dude is from Sweden, so...
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