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  • Originally posted by Reindeer View Post
    If the US government allowed people to own guns...
    I don't know how many times we have to say this. You have it backwards. The government does not "allow" us the right to bear arms. Or any other right. We, the people (the citizenry) were the ones who granted a very limited role to our government. Not the other way around.


    Originally posted by Reindeer View Post
    I couldn't stand living without a knife however.
    And what sort of tests did you pass to earn the right to a knife?

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    • Something else to think about. The antis always use the "if we can save just 1 life" line to tug at the heartsrings of people. Well how many lives do legally owned guns save each year? Quick, somebody google fu, I'm actually out hunting right now. How many attackers, robbers, rapists, murderers, etc are deterred or shot by legal gun owners each year? I can safely say that the number of those people is exponentially higher than the number of people who are harmed or killed by the average joe who just goes nuts and kills people with his legally owned gun. Do those lives saved count for nothing?

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      • Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
        Something else to think about. The antis always use the "if we can save just 1 life" line to tug at the heartsrings of people. Well how many lives do legally owned guns save each year? Quick, somebody google fu, I'm actually out hunting right now. How many attackers, robbers, rapists, murderers, etc are deterred or shot by legal gun owners each year? I can safely say that the number of those people is exponentially higher than the number of people who are harmed or killed by the average joe who just goes nuts and kills people with his legally owned gun. Do those lives saved count for nothing?
        What good are saved lives if you own a rifle with a barrel shroud on it?

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        • Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
          Reindeer you're absolutely right except as been stated many times it's not the people that are buying guns LEGALLY that are the problem.

          You'd have to make it mandatory for everyone to learn gun safety in order to cover the criminals/mentally ill that decide to use a gun to hurt someone. Make it part of the compulsory education system. I'm sure that would go over really well!
          There must be a start somewhere. If the alternative is banning guns all together, what's there to be done about it?

          Many European countries have a considerably less open gun climate. Guns are allowed, but only to a degree - they're expensive, they are heavily regulated, and you can't get a rifle for free when you start up a bloody bank account. That's the difference between the US and the european (generally speaking of course as the different countries have different laws) gun regulations. We're not the ones with this shitstorm brewing over guns, just so you know.

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          • Originally posted by Reindeer View Post
            If the US government allowed people to own guns, but made it a requirement to actually pass tests that were actually slightly difficult, where would the issue be?
            How about literacy tests prior to voting? Or poll taxes? We just HAVE to make sure we have the "right kind" of electorate, right? We don't want the "wrong" people having a vote, do we?

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            • Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
              ^^^^^^ Yep, so round up bad people. Done.
              How can I tell who the Bad People are?

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              • Originally posted by Jarrod Schroeder View Post
                How about literacy tests prior to voting? Or poll taxes? We just HAVE to make sure we have the "right kind" of electorate, right? We don't want the "wrong" people having a vote, do we?
                I don't want people who don't know how to handle guns to own guns, no. People who don't know how to handle guns but own them anyways seem to have played way to much grand theft auto for me to be comfortable with the idea, seen from a general basis.

                I really don't see how that is such a big dilemma for people. Individual votes don't kill. Poll taxes won't kill (not directly anyways :P). I'm not against people owning guns, but a much too liberal gun law will not put an end to the issue that the nation of America actually have. The anti's isn't going to give up, because they have a very valid point. They go about it in a dumb way, but they do have a point.

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                • I didn't bookmark the page, but I'm sure it's easily googled. Actually, the percentage of homes that report owning guns is down from the 1970s. Then, 50% of homes had guns; now about 30%. Some of the reasons given are more single person homes, and more women living alone as men are five times more likely to own a gun as are women.

                  I would like to see gun ownership be as common as car ownership. To people in other countries: your opinions are valid because you are human, but your input into our country's laws are null because you can't vote and you don't live here. Clean up your own house first.

                  If it is true (and apparently enough links have been posted that it is) that most gun crimes are committed with illegal guns, it is just political b.s. to make guns illegal. It's illogical.

                  As a note, for all but about six years in my life, there hasn't been a gun in my home. I don't take that as a license to tell other people what to do. Laws only work when they are reasonable. They're only just when they punish negative behavior. Anything else is just the need to stay a child by replacing your parents with the government. Grow up, learn how to behave, and you'll need the government for almost nothing except a military and some interstate roads. And maybe some trade agreements.
                  "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                  B*tch-lite

                  Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                  • Originally posted by Reindeer View Post
                    I don't want people who don't know how to handle guns to own guns, no. People who don't know how to handle guns but own them anyways seem to have played way to much grand theft auto for me to be comfortable with the idea, seen from a general basis.

                    I really don't see how that is such a big dilemma for people. Individual votes don't kill. Poll taxes won't kill (not directly anyways :P). I'm not against people owning guns, but a much too liberal gun law will not put an end to the issue that the nation of America actually have. The anti's isn't going to give up, because they have a very valid point. They go about it in a dumb way, but they do have a point.
                    And the point is?

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                    • Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                      And the point is?
                      TL;DR; I think some sort of actual gun regulation would actually solve your issue.

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                      • Originally posted by Reindeer View Post
                        TL;DR; I think some sort of actual gun regulation would actually solve your issue.
                        I agree. Criminals and the mentally ill should not be allowed to have guns.

                        Which is already the law.

                        So what now?
                        Durp.

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                        • Originally posted by Reindeer View Post
                          TL;DR; I think some sort of actual gun regulation would actually solve your issue.
                          What is our issue?

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                          • Originally posted by Jarrod Schroeder View Post
                            How can I tell who the Bad People are?
                            They look and dress like orcs from the movies based off J.R.R. Tolkien books of course.
                            http://www.facebook.com/daemonized

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                            • Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
                              I agree. Criminals and the mentally ill should not be allowed to have guns.

                              Which is already the law.

                              So what now?
                              Yup. How?

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                              • Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
                                I agree. Criminals and the mentally ill should not be allowed to have guns.

                                Which is already the law.

                                So what now?
                                Make sure criminals can't actually get guns. By regulating them and getting background checks for people who want to buy legally, which would be nice a start. I don't know in what state you live in or the laws of it, but I have plenty of friends with felonies, weird meds and alcohol issues who could just walk into a gun store with money and leave with less money and a gun. Hell I have friends who aren't even american citizens (and therefore have no easily accessible criminal records) who did the same. Those were legal gun stores.

                                It doesn't matter what laws you have if they are not being followed. If they're not being followed, you go in heavy on the regulations, the control checks, and heavy punishment by law for people who break those laws.

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