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  • #16
    TIH, it is tea spoon but you can be more fatty if you want and use 2 Tbsp. That depends on the amount of fries you are preparing. No duck fat ? Then beef tallow ? Not sure butter is good here because 200 C is quite high for butter. Maybe clarified butter (ghee) would do. I would hesitate to say coconut oil because as soon as you are shaking the bowl, it would be hard again unlike the other fats that do contain some mono-unsat fats (i.e. more liquid, so it tends to get solid again in longer time than coconut oil).

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    • #17
      Originally posted by MarielleGO View Post
      (Never ever mention meat or eggs as the first, people will only really pay attention to the first and second word you mention. it even worked with my doctor)
      I saw an interesting study about this, which also brought up the fact that most people when they are talking with their doctors about many symptoms, 'work up' to the one that others them most, that is, mentioning it third, fourth, or fifth on the list. Meanwhile, the doctor's mind is already racing down the path of fixing the first two. So glad I read this BEFORE I was accompanying my father to his doctor visits. I made sure to write down his issues, and tackle them in order of importance. I still use this technique. But I never thought of using it to help in explaining primal in a more palatable way. Good one.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sabine View Post
        I saw an interesting study about this, which also brought up the fact that most people when they are talking with their doctors about many symptoms, 'work up' to the one that others them most, that is, mentioning it third, fourth, or fifth on the list. Meanwhile, the doctor's mind is already racing down the path of fixing the first two. So glad I read this BEFORE I was accompanying my father to his doctor visits. I made sure to write down his issues, and tackle them in order of importance. I still use this technique. But I never thought of using it to help in explaining primal in a more palatable way. Good one.
        I noticed it when I started talking about Primal at work, people would only react to it when I started with meat and eggs but when I started with veggies and fruits they all nodded that it was a good idea... I tried it with the doctor and he didn't even blink when I said I eat double amount of eggs and meat that is normal according to CW
        My story, My thought....

        It's all about trying to stay healthy!!!!

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        • #19
          Originally posted by FrenchFry View Post
          TIH, it is tea spoon but you can be more fatty if you want and use 2 Tbsp. That depends on the amount of fries you are preparing. No duck fat ? Then beef tallow ? Not sure butter is good here because 200 C is quite high for butter. Maybe clarified butter (ghee) would do. I would hesitate to say coconut oil because as soon as you are shaking the bowl, it would be hard again unlike the other fats that do contain some mono-unsat fats (i.e. more liquid, so it tends to get solid again in longer time than coconut oil).
          Nope, no tallow either. Could you get it at a Co-op? I've noticed lots of posts with people getting Primal things from Co-Ops.
          Ha! I don't think they'd want to eat fries with a coconut oil shell.
          Maybe olive oil? Wait, it's bad to heat it up so high, right?


          For now I'll probably just take small servings of pasta and more sauce, and ask for more snacks with my fries...
          Or I'll have to dive deep and risk getting into an arguement and tell them...

          Wait, I'll write down how I think it'll go. Maybe you guys can help me?

          Mom: *Something about weight loss, diet, food, whatever*
          Me: Oh, I read about this site *Dutch Paleo site because their English isn't that good, or MDA when I'm feeling lucky etc.*
          Mom: I don't think all that fat is really healthy, it'll just make you fat.
          Me: Well.. If you don't eat grains and starch (and sugar), the idea is that your body starts using fat for fuel instead of sugar. Then you'll lose weight and the fat won't clog up arteries etc.
          Mom: That's ridiculous. Everyone knows that fat isn't healthy.
          Me: I don't really agree with that. When you get sugar/glucose/fructose etc. into your body, your body makes insulin to get the blood sugar levels down. Insulin is a fat-storing hormone, it makes your body store fat. If you don't eat sugar, your body makes less insuline and stores less fat.
          Mom:** If it was that healthy then doctors would tell us. They want us to be healthy. Besides, you need the grains and fibres in bread, and starch to be healthy.
          Me: Well, you can get starch from vegetables and fruit like bananas (thanks Marielle ) and apples. Fibre, too. And there are a lot of people who don't digest gluten properly. I stopped eating bread a few weeks/months ago and I feel much more energetic. And didn't you notice that my cold is almost gone?
          Mom: You feel more energetic because you go to bed earlier. And your cold isn't gone: I still hear you blowing your nose in your bedroom at night.
          Me: I also get up earlier. And I used to blow my nose a lot more.
          Mom: But that's not because of the gluten! If you were gluten-intolerant or something then you would've had stomach ache every time you eat bread and pasta and you've never complained about it!
          Me: I do feel bloated. I've said it a few times but-
          Mom: Feeling bloated after eating is normal. We just eat too much. Eat less and you won't be bloated. Besides, you were convinced that meat and dairy was bad when you were a vegetarian, and you stopped after a year.
          Me: Yes, but you remember that I've started eating eggs and salad last year, at my previous internship? I did that because I already knew about *Primal/Paleo*.
          Mom: Yes, and then *Stepdad's name* told you to eat bread with your eggs. You're only supposed to eat 2-4 eggs a week!
          Me: But wouldn't people have eaten lots of meat, veggies and eggs before there was mass production of grains?
          Mom: Yes, but they were unhealthy and died early. Besides, it's been what 100 years since that time, we can handle grains/starches/gluten fine now.
          Me: But-
          Mom: So you can just go back to eating bread now.

          Any advice? The concept of Grok/Grokette wouldn't do it. We've had plenty of time to evolve past that.
          "Bread-Bread-Dinner
          It ain't makin' me any thinner
          I eat a sandwich for break-fast
          And then I have a sugar blast!
          I eat toasted bread for lunch
          And enjoy my mid-day crunch!
          At dinner I eat pasta
          And end my day with a sugar disasta!"

          From the How am I not starving??? thread. Enjoy the read.

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          • #20
            You are worrying way too much about it!!!!!!
            You are still focusing on Primal as a weight/fat loosing diet. It's a getting and feeling healthy diet...

            My thought (quick and simple version):
            "Eat sugar and carbs you tell your body to use that as fuel, to use it as fuel your body makes insulin but insulin also stores excessive sugar/carbs in the form of fat. You only really need 100 -150 grams of carbs. Eat fat you are telling your body, this is your fuel, deal with it. So it starts to use fat, if it doesn't get enough fat it will burn fat. There is no insulin production needed so no additional fat to be stored"

            On the early-humans dying young on average, 10.000 years ago that was caused through, death-at-child-birth (we have good doctors these days), child mortality (still happening all around the world), attacked by wild animal (still happening today in areas with wild animals, even the Zoo), lethal injury (we have good surgeons these days) and lastly injuries that started to infect (these days we have antibiotics).... see a trend here, no heart issues, no cancer, no diabetes.... etc... A lucky human could reach the age of 70 and that was without modern day hygiene.
            So essentially they grew very old...
            If your mom brings up that, ask her what time period she means... I'm pretty sure she will refer to the dark ages.

            Oh yeah, and doctors are being paid mainly by pharmaceutical companies for selling you drugs. Of course they won't tell you there is an other way to get healthy than through meds... (let her look online for vacancies in Arts-bezoeker)
            My story, My thought....

            It's all about trying to stay healthy!!!!

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            • #21
              How am I focusing on it being a diet/fat loss diet too much?
              I think that my parents will be convinced that I'm healthy already, because I'm not sick often and I'm not overweight, I don't have rashes, I do have eczema on my footsoles but they think I'm just sensitive to it (just like my Dad) etc. etc.
              They see CW (normal) diet as "feeling good and being healthy" and anything else as "weight/fat loss diets".

              Well, I figured that I can just gradually lower the grains and starches (less pasta and more sauce, less potatoes more veggies, less fries more meat - salad for lunch and just one slice of bread I won't eat anyway instead of two) etc.
              They'll eventually ask about it and then I'll try to explain it... I'll just say that I don't feel bloated at all, feel less tired (I was always yawning all day long), less cold... Not sure what else I could do...
              They'll just see that I eat more veggies and fruit (like you said before LOL) and they can't really say that's not healthy.

              Like how many Primal people do it: Don't talk about it unless people ask.

              (Now I notice how often I change my mind: One time I'm all "I need to make my own decisions, they can't force me!" and the next "... I'm afraid they'll think it's unhealthy etc. etc."

              Planning on getting some salad on Monday and fill a plastic container with it and take a portion with me to work. (Can't get some tomorrow because it'll probably wilt by the time I'm back from my Dad's.)
              "Bread-Bread-Dinner
              It ain't makin' me any thinner
              I eat a sandwich for break-fast
              And then I have a sugar blast!
              I eat toasted bread for lunch
              And enjoy my mid-day crunch!
              At dinner I eat pasta
              And end my day with a sugar disasta!"

              From the How am I not starving??? thread. Enjoy the read.

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              • #22
                OK, just tell them you don't want no frigging bread, cereals, low fat crap. They will save some money in that way. Maybe that will talk some to them (financial aspect) ?

                Keep potatoes though, nothing wrong with them unless you are the unfortunate soul with nightshade sensitivity. White rice is good too, get animal bones, make bone broth and cook the rice in it.

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                • #23
                  Haha, I think that'd make them pretty angry. But I should do that. (And probably will... it's about time.)
                  They aren't going to cook with butter/coconut oil, though. They cook with Flora cuisine or olive oil. I could pursuade them that olive oil is healthier and tastier, though. Even though I understand that it's not optimal with high temperatures(?).

                  Well, I don't have a sensitivity to nightshades, but they do have starch, that's converted to glucose... bloodsugar spike.. insulin, yada yada, yawning, feeling tired etc.
                  "Bread-Bread-Dinner
                  It ain't makin' me any thinner
                  I eat a sandwich for break-fast
                  And then I have a sugar blast!
                  I eat toasted bread for lunch
                  And enjoy my mid-day crunch!
                  At dinner I eat pasta
                  And end my day with a sugar disasta!"

                  From the How am I not starving??? thread. Enjoy the read.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by The_Introvert_Huntress View Post
                    Well, I don't have a sensitivity to nightshades, but they do have starch, that's converted to glucose... bloodsugar spike.. insulin, yada yada, yawning, feeling tired etc.
                    I don't want to repeat ad nauseam what has been discussed and argued 1000 times in other threads but you know, if that was that simple, life would be much easier ... Not all starches are digested, some are feeding good gut bacteria (resistant starches) and potatoes happen to be one of the best source of RS. There are tricks to maximize how much RS you eat from them. This stuff will not spike your blood sugar and insulin, if that's what you are afraid of. Read the resistant starch threads from Otzi. You don't grow fat on reasonable amount of potatoes, especially when they are eaten after having cooled down 24h in your fridge. Refry them for maximum effect.

                    Flora cuisine ? what's that ??

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                    • #25
                      How about a conversation that starts,

                      You: 'How about if I cook the meal tonight?'

                      You could create a habit of you doing the cooking a few times a week, and make those meals Primal without anyone noticing. (If you don't have weight to lose, there's no need to eliminate potatoes.) If that's the only thing you do, you're still greatly improving your diet (and theirs, incidentally).

                      Or on days when your parents cook,
                      'Broccoli! Could you cook extra, so I can have that instead of pasta?'

                      I don't see why you should need to have the in-depth conversation about what constitutes a healthy diet at all. If your parents have overwhelming respect for medical/ governmental authority, you're not likely to change that in a hurry, so why try? If you make this a big argument about world views, or about whether your mother is feeding you things that are bad for your health, you will presumably get a big argument and lots of resistance. The harder you push, the harder they'll push back. Why not just stick to talking about what you'd like to eat today?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by FrenchFry View Post
                        [...] Flora cuisine ? what's that ??
                        http://www.flora.com/Flora/Flora-pro...a-Cuisine.aspx, basically a mix of veg oils. But then the Dutch variety.

                        I'll look up the threads tomorrow (it's late here and I should take a shower and go to bed). Not sure if I can convince my folks () to refridgerate potatoes for 24 hrs. though I do that sometimes with steamed potatoes when I have one left over.
                        Last edited by The_Introvert_Huntress; 10-24-2013, 01:01 PM.
                        "Bread-Bread-Dinner
                        It ain't makin' me any thinner
                        I eat a sandwich for break-fast
                        And then I have a sugar blast!
                        I eat toasted bread for lunch
                        And enjoy my mid-day crunch!
                        At dinner I eat pasta
                        And end my day with a sugar disasta!"

                        From the How am I not starving??? thread. Enjoy the read.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by The_Introvert_Huntress View Post
                          Flora Cuisine | Flora product range | Flora UK, basically a mix of veg oils. But then the Dutch variety.
                          By the gods!!! From the website: linseed, rapeseed and sunflower oils ... That's insane ... they fry things with that ???? Well, time to find a flat and live on your own my Dutch friend ...

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by The_Introvert_Huntress View Post
                            I have no idea where to get duck fat! Or any fat to cook with for that matter! (Could I use real fatty butter or will that mess up the fries?)
                            Take some real butter, then melt it on a low temperature in the oven. The water and milk proteins will sink to the bottom and the top 85% will be pure butterfat. Pour off the butterfat into another vessel (discard the salty milk/water). Congratulations, you have just made ghee. This is a stable fat that is great for all kinds of cooking, particularly frying (since it's chemincally stable at high temperature and won't go rancid the way a polyunsaturated fat would).
                            Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                              Take some real butter, then melt it on a low temperature in the oven. The water and milk proteins will sink to the bottom and the top 85% will be pure butterfat. Pour off the butterfat into another vessel (discard the salty milk/water). Congratulations, you have just made ghee. This is a stable fat that is great for all kinds of cooking, particularly frying (since it's chemincally stable at high temperature and won't go rancid the way a polyunsaturated fat would).
                              Is that how it works MM?
                              I thought is seen videos where the melt the butter and skim of stuff that rose to the surface and what they were left with in the pan was the ghee, unless want passing attention. I remember one vid in particular where the guy was adding herbs and stuff like coQ10 to the pan.

                              In going to have to have a search now, this has me curious.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by FrenchFry View Post
                                By the gods!!! From the website: linseed, rapeseed and sunflower oils ... That's insane ... they fry things with that ???? Well, time to find a flat and live on your own my Dutch friend ...
                                Ick, linseed oil? I used to paint with that. And, as I recall, it smells pretty funky--can't even imagine eating it. I'm sure it gets processed to the point of being unrecognisable, but still.
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