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  • #46
    Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
    Are you kidding? Those slanted far left sites? lol might as well watch MSNBC then.
    Damn, and here I thought I found some useful stuff

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    • #47
      Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
      I'm not sure how you were uninsurable in NC. I have friends with diabetes and reoccurring brain cancer that had coverage through a state program. They were unable to get insurance in the private marketplace so got it from a state program- here is an article on it. My friends were very happy with the coverage:
      Program provides health coverage for those deemed uninsurable :: WRAL.com
      I actually mentioned this in my post if you would read it. It covered so little and was so unpopular with physicians (almost no one took it, there were literally 3 doctors Wake county for me... if you found someone who was "happy" to have it they are about the only ones) that I was ahead with my "group" plan (my other special NC option that I mentioned in my post). It was also $300ish/month full freight, so it actually cost more than some full freight exchange plans while covering less.

      But it does amuse me when NC people bring it up because the defense about why we shouldn't like Obamacare was we had this thing that was just like Obamacare, but not quite as good, but since it was good you shouldn't want anything better that is anything like it... Um, okay.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by oceangrl View Post
        I also was told the fine for me would be $95 and would increase each year. Who ever said it would be 4K?

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        Ocean, one of the comments in the original post was about a $4,000+ fine. If a person makes $400,000+ and is dumb enough not to have health insurance the fine indeed would be somewhere around $4,000.
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        • #49
          According to the calculator on About.com, my penalty would be a little more than $1000. The health insurance my employer provides is about $60/month. The fine is more than what my huge employer is able to negotiate and the ACA insurance itself is WAY more than the cost of what my employer offers me. I sure hope that my employer doesn't cut me off. Because of who I work for, it's not a totally unlikely scenario that I could lose my insurance, or lose my status to qualify for the insurance.
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          • #50
            Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System

            (Harry explains how we got here)

            Yesterday on PBS’ Nevada Week In Review, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) was asked whether his goal was to move Obamacare to a single-payer system. His answer? “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”

            In one sense, this isn’t shocking. Reid and many other Democrats, including President Obama, have often stated that their ideal health-care system is one in which the government abolishes the private insurance market. Video of the PBS discussion isn’t yet online, but here’s how Karoun Demirjian of the Las Vegas Sun described it:

            Reid said he thinks the country has to “work our way past” insurance-based health care during a Friday night appearance on Vegas PBS’ program “Nevada Week in Review.”

            “What we’ve done with Obamacare is have a step in the right direction, but we’re far from having something that’s going to work forever,” Reid said.

            When then asked by panelist Steve Sebelius whether he meant ultimately the country would have to have a health care system that abandoned insurance as the means of accessing it, Reid said: “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”

            Reid noted that he and other progressives fought hard for a “public option” in the exchanges as a Trojan horse for single-payer, but Democrats didn’t have 60 votes in the Senate to achieve it:
            The idea of introducing a single-payer national health care system to the United States, or even just a public option, sent lawmakers into a tizzy back in 2009, when Reid was negotiating the health care bill.

            “We had a real good run at the public option … don’t think we didn’t have a tremendous number of people who wanted a single-payer system,” Reid said on the PBS program, recalling how then-Sen. Joe Lieberman’s opposition to the idea of a public option made them abandon the notion and start from scratch.

            Eventually, Reid decided the public option was unworkable.
            “We had to get a majority of votes,” Reid said. “In fact, we had to get a little extra in the Senate, we have to get 60.”

            Reid sees the tax exclusion for employer-sponsored health insurance as the primary obstacle to single-payer health care:

            Reid cited the post-WWII auto industry labor negotiations that made employer-backed health insurance the norm, remarking that “we’ve never been able to work our way out of that” before predicting that Congress would someday end the insurance-based health care system.

            It’s one of the key things to remember when you look at polls saying that Obamacare is unpopular. A small percentage of the people who oppose Obamacare—around 7-10 percent—oppose it because it doesn’t go far enough.

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            Sen. Harry Reid: Obamacare 'Absolutely' A Step Toward A Single-Payer System - Forbes

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            • #51
              Originally posted by loafingcactus View Post
              Ocean, one of the comments in the original post was about a $4,000+ fine. If a person makes $400,000+ and is dumb enough not to have health insurance the fine indeed would be somewhere around $4,000.
              You have to be kidding me
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              • #52
                Im on medicare, needless to say I dont use doctors unless its an emergency. I warned my friends/family about government run health care. IMO the ones who pushed for it are getting what they deserve.......

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                • #53
                  Where the USA is headed, from Atlas Shrugged:

                  "

                  Directive 10-289

                  This piece is from Atlas Shrugged, here is a little background. At this point in the book much of the economy has collapsed due to government regulation and the teachings of the modern day. These are a set of directives ordered in the hope of stabalizing the economy. I'd like you to read this and as you go think as ruthlessly as you can and draw parrallel's to today's world and the laws that are being passed every day by your representitives I think you'll find it interesting.

                  Directive 10-289

                  "In the name of the general welfare," read Wesley Mouch, "to protect the people's security, to achieve full equality and total stability, it is decreed for the duration of the national emergency that--

                  "Point One. All workers, wage earners and employees of any kind whatsoever shall henceforth be attached to their jobs and shall not leave nor be dismissed nor change employment, under penalty of a term in jail. The penalty shall be determined by the Unification Board, such Board to be appointed by the Bureau of Economic Planning and National Resources. All persons reaching the age of twenty-one shall report to the Unification Board, which shall assign them to where, in its opinion, their services will best serve the interests of the nation.

                  "Point Two. All industrial, commercial, manufacturing and business establishments of any nature whatsoever shall henceforth remain in operation, and the owners of such establishments shall not quit nor leave nor retire, nor close, sell or transfer their business, under pentalty of the nationalization of their establishment and of any and all of their property.

                  "Point Three. All patents and copyrights, pertaining to any devices, inventions, formulas, processes and works of any nature whatsoever, shall be turned over to the nation as a patriotic emergency gift by means of Gift Certificates to be signed voluntarily by the owners of all such patents and copyrights. The Unification Board shall then license the use of such patents and copyrights to all applicants, equally and without discrimination, for the purpose of eliminating monopolistic practices, discarding obsolete products and making the best available to the whole nation. No trademarks, brand names or copyrighted titles shall be used. Every formerly patented product shall be known by a new name and sold by all manufacturers under the same name, such name to be selected by the Unification Board. All private trademarks and brand names are hereby abolished.

                  "Point Four. No new devices, inventions, products, or goods of any nature whatsoever, not now on the market, shall be produced, invented, manufacturerd or sold afer the date of this directive. The Office of Patents and Copyrights is hereby suspended.

                  "Point Five. Every establishment, concern, corporation or person engaged in production of any nature whatsoever shall henceforth produce the same amount of goods per year as it, they or he produced during the Basic Year, no more and no less. The year to be known as the Basic or Yardstick Year is to be the year ending on the date of this directive. Over or under production shall be fined, such fines to be determined by the Unification Barod.

                  "Point Six. Every person of any age, sex, class or income, shall henceforth spend the same amount of money on the purchase of goods per year as he or she spent during the Basic Year, no more and no less. Over or under purchasing shall be fined, such fines to be determined by the Unification Board.

                  "Point Seven. All wages, prices, salaries, dividends, profits, interest rates and forms of income of any nature whatsoever, shall be frozen at their present figures, as of the date of this directive.

                  "Point Eight. All cases arising from and rules not specifically provided for in this directive, shall be settled and determined by the Unification Board, whose decisionswill be final."

                  Ok that's all of it. Please sit and think about this and what it means."
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                  • #54
                    What I find ironic is that instead of just looking at actual information and fact in front of a person, a person is looking at a poorly-written fictional account as a prediction of what is to come.

                    Very rational and objectivist.

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                    • #55
                      What I find ironic is that instead of just looking at actual information and fact in front of a person, a person is looking at a poorly-written fictional account as a prediction of what is to come.
                      It's not made up or a prediction. On January 1, 2014, I go from having affordable insurance, to having the option of paying 3x more OR being uninsured. I was told I could keep my old plan if I liked it. I am unable to keep my old plan. I was lied to by the government.

                      Now I knew this was coming, I have a friend who worked on the policy. She warned me.

                      But it was marketed as a saving grace for people who had to buy their own insurance and it is not. It is a saving grace for SICK people and people to a certain income level. For the rest of us, our taxes will go up, and if we were healthy our premiums are going up.

                      If you can find me insurance for under $200 in NC, I'd be so flipping happy. Last year, I had 18 policies to choose from under $200!

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                      • #56
                        Some could percieve it as fictional account, but the author has based most of the events described in that book on events in her real life.
                        Most of you people have no clue what it's like to live under that much regulation and government totalitarianism.
                        The way things are going in this country, you'll find out soon enough.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                          Where the USA is headed, from Atlas Shrugged:

                          "Point One. All workers, wage earners and employees of any kind whatsoever shall henceforth be attached to their jobs and shall not leave nor be dismissed nor change employment, under penalty of a term in jail. The penalty shall be determined by the Unification Board, such Board to be appointed by the Bureau of Economic Planning and National Resources. All persons reaching the age of twenty-one shall report to the Unification Board, which shall assign them to where, in its opinion, their services will best serve the interests of the nation.


                          "Point Two. All industrial, commercial, manufacturing and business establishments of any nature whatsoever shall henceforth remain in operation, and the owners of such establishments shall not quit nor leave nor retire, nor close, sell or transfer their business, under pentalty of the nationalization of their establishment and of any and all of their property.
                          "
                          There are many who would interpret that as guaranteed employment, plenty of unemployed folks would jump at the opportunity to have a job. I'm not saying I agree with that quote, but I do know people who are unemployed and desperate for work.

                          Maybe you haven't noticed but a lot of manufacturing has already left this country. Can't say as I see a lot of similarity between the USA and Atlas Shrugged.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by zoebird View Post
                            What I find ironic is that instead of just looking at actual information and fact in front of a person, a person is looking at a poorly-written fictional account as a prediction of what is to come.

                            Very rational and objectivist.
                            What I find ironic(lol) is your misuse of the word ironic. Note: it doesn't mean funny.

                            Did you even read Atlas Shrugged, let alone actually think about what was written and how it draw parrallel's to today's world and the laws that are being passed every day? Easy to dismiss something you have no knowledge of.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
                              There are many who would interpret that as guaranteed employment, plenty of unemployed folks would jump at the opportunity to have a job. I'm not saying I agree with that quote, but I do know people who are unemployed and desperate for work.

                              Maybe you haven't noticed but a lot of manufacturing has already left this country. Can't say as I see a lot of similarity between the USA and Atlas Shrugged.
                              It seems like the government is using Atlas Shrugged as an instruction manual to some of us.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
                                There are many who would interpret that as guaranteed employment, plenty of unemployed folks would jump at the opportunity to have a job. I'm not saying I agree with that quote, but I do know people who are unemployed and desperate for work.

                                Maybe you haven't noticed but a lot of manufacturing has already left this country. Can't say as I see a lot of similarity between the USA and Atlas Shrugged.
                                I see a lot myself. Can't say I see what outsourcing has to do with that particular passage though.
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