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  • Originally posted by MEversbergII View Post
    Yes! Those fiddly regs make me pay out and deprive me of my rightful profits!

    M.
    There is also the issue that "human rights" seem to be reserved for corporations, live human beings having no rights whatever.

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    • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
      There is also the issue that "human rights" seem to be reserved for corporations, live human beings having no rights whatever.
      You are entirely correct.....the Economic Royalists that actually run the country have, over the course of several decades, managed to interpret the 14th Amendment as having its protections extended to corporations.

      Seeing as the law was written after the Civil War and intended to apply to slaves, it was written as "persons" in the amendment, and the original English law from which we were framed divided people into 2 groups:
      "Natural person" = a creation of nature or God, depending on who was interpreting it
      "Legal person" = a creation of man, legal entities such as corporations, churches, charities, etc.

      Through a manipulation of a bought off judge in the late 1800's in the Santa Clara railroad case, the Royalists were able to slowly assert that "persons" was used in the 14th Amendment intentionally, and MEANT to be a general term applying to both natural and legal persons. It originally lost in the Santa Clara case, but the precedent was set.....the man that argued against it essentially said that we were discussing whether we should give the same rights to a creation of man as we would to a creation of God. That is the ultimate corruption.

      Fast forward 100+ years to Citizens United, and the fire-sale of our democracy to the highest bidder is complete....this allowed groups like ALEC, a conglomerate of the true owners of America, to setup their corporate-written law as the negotiating piece against the democratic public option.

      It had been written by the shakers of the insurance companies and Big Pharma, a point to which no one with any research into Obamacare argues against.....this set of demands, which demanded 30 million new customers for the insurance companies, no negotiation of drug prices by the government, barriers for entry, and several other purely corporatist goals was FORCED into the law in exchange for Republican support. This is the dirty little secret of why most states have only 2-3 (or just 1) company in the "exchange", and why so many plans are getting eliminated for not meeting the "standard".

      This is the corporations that got a big hand in writing the law eliminating their competition. They are the only players for a reason, and it is because they wanted it that way.

      The result was the worst of both worlds: Coercion to buy a PRIVATE product (rampant statism), mixed with overwhelming funneling of money into the corporations that wrote the law and forced their demands to be met (corporatism), all with a leveling effect to make everyone else pay for the bloated costs of the care of the sick (socialism).

      And then the real master stroke: Getting the corporate lemming media, with disgusting scumbags like Roger Ailes and Ted Turner, to permeate the idea that we were having a "government takeover" of healthcare.....when in reality it was a corporate takeover, an Economic Royalist takeover.

      This way, the "solution" is to remove more of the governmental oversight, to allow even more coercion in the vacuum created to be filled by the corporatists that were really in charge all along. Disguise the poison as the antidote, get people to rail against the "government" (which you in fact control), and then in their disillusionment allow even stronger corporate "fixes" to consolidate your monopoly.

      Truly, truly brilliant....and no one has a clue.
      Last edited by TheyCallMeLazarus; 11-12-2013, 09:37 AM.
      "The soul that does not attempt flight; does not notice its chains."

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      • HOT NEWS FOR TODAY

        Latest numbers 11/12/13 on the Megyn Kelly Newscast. I just love Megyn. She is very much like Judge Judy, she will not allow the Left Wing Nuts to lie, evade questions, or to talk over other guests. She makes them SQUIM & sweat under the collar. She is a Magnificent Newscaster !
        5 MILLION thrown off of their healthcare because Obama made their plans ILLEGAL
        500,000 signed up into Obama Care - only 100,000 excluding medicaid


        Obamaphone.jpg

        WE DEMAND MO FREE STUFF ! ! ! ! !
        Georgia Targets Obamaphone Fraud | National Review Online


        OBAMACARE NAVIGATORS TELL APPLICANTS TO LIE - CAUGHT ON TAPE !
        What we found is shocking: navigators, in positions of public trust, told our undercover journalists to lie and defraud the government. Over and over again.
        Yes, as if the roll-out of Obamacare hasn't been disastrous enough, Project Veritas has caught Obamacare navigators counseling citizens to lie about their income and deceive the IRS, commit fraud on applications by not reporting full health history, and worse. Despite reassurances that "fraud could not be committed," clearly, that is not the case.
        Obamacare Navigators counseled applicants by saying:
        Video & Story here:
        CAUGHT ON TAPE: Obamacare Navigators Counsel Applicants to "Lie" - Tea Party Command Center

        Obama using food-stamp cash to fund Michelle’s ‘Let’s Move’

        3937400623_obama_hypocrite2_xlarge.jpeg
        On Nov. 1, sizable cuts were gouged into the federal food-stamp program (or, as it’s now called, SNAP, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), which feeds 47.6 million people, or nearly one in six Americans. In the city, 1.9 million folks get the bulk of their Jell-O and Campbell’s Soup from stamps.
        But news has spread among the poor, like leafy green vegetables, that it wasn’t heartless Republicans who triggered the cuts.
        Rather, some of the food-stamp cash was snatched to pay for Michelle Obama’s pet project, Let’s Move. What?
        Obama using food-stamp cash to fund Michelle


        Lack of Competition in Obamacare’s Exchanges: Over Half of U.S. Has Two or Fewer Carriers
        Lack of competition means higher prices. Always did, always will. A monopoly can only exist under government law!
        Lack of Competition in Obamacare’s Exchanges: Over Half of U.S. Has Two or Fewer Carriers - Tea Party Command Center


        Obama's DHS Funds Installation of White Boxes That Can Track Population of Entire City
        Dept of Homeland Security is Obama's Private Army, "Just as well funded, Just as Powerful as the Military"
        DHS can now secretly track your EVERY move via new secretive MESH network.
        Strange new off-white boxes popping up in downtown Seattle use wi-fi networks that can record the last 1,000 locations of a person using their cellphone’s MAC address, but the Department of Homeland Security – which funded the network to the tune of $2.7 million dollars – has refused to address the nightmare privacy implications of a system that could lead to the permanent tracking of an entire city’s population.
        A report by The Stranger, a weekly Seattle newspaper, exposes how the boxes, which are attached to utility poles and include vertical antennae, can track cellphones even if they are not connected to the system’s wi-fi network.
        Aruba – the company that provided the boxes to the Seattle Police Department – brags in its technical literature about how the boxes can keep track of “rogue” or “unassociated” devices, in other words, your cellphone even if you have refused to let the system access your device’s wi-fi component.

        BlackCase_5_large_2_medium.jpg
        Store your cellphone in a metal case to avoid being tracked by Obama's Secret DHS operation MESH.
        So now Obama is recording your every keystroke, every phone conversation, every email, and NOW everywhere you go!
        DHS Funds Installation of White Boxes That Can Track Population of Entire City
        Hitler could only DREAM of having this kind of RAW POWER.

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        Grizz
        Last edited by Grizz; 11-12-2013, 10:27 AM.

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        • Originally posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
          You are entirely correct.....the Economic Royalists that actually run the country have, over the course of several decades, managed to interpret the 14th Amendment as having its protections extended to corporations.

          Seeing as the law was written after the Civil War and intended to apply to slaves, it was written as "persons" in the amendment, and the original English law from which we were framed divided people into 2 groups:
          "Natural person" = a creation of nature or God, depending on who was interpreting it
          "Legal person" = a creation of man, legal entities such as corporations, churches, charities, etc.

          Through a manipulation of a bought off judge in the late 1800's in the Santa Clara railroad case, the Royalists were able to slowly assert that "persons" was used in the 14th Amendment intentionally, and MEANT to be a general term applying to both natural and legal persons. It originally lost in the Santa Clara case, but the precedent was set.....the man that argued against it essentially said that we were discussing whether we should give the same rights to a creation of man as we would to a creation of God. That is the ultimate corruption.

          Fast forward 100+ years to Citizens United, and the fire-sale of our democracy to the highest bidder is complete....this allowed groups like ALEC, a conglomerate of the true owners of America, to setup their corporate-written law as the negotiating piece against the democratic public option.

          It had been written by the shakers of the insurance companies and Big Pharma, a point to which no one with any research into Obamacare argues against.....this set of demands, which demanded 30 million new customers for the insurance companies, no negotiation of drug prices by the government, barriers for entry, and several other purely corporatist goals was FORCED into the law in exchange for Republican support. This is the dirty little secret of why most states have only 2-3 (or just 1) company in the "exchange", and why so many plans are getting eliminated for not meeting the "standard".

          This is the corporations that got a big hand in writing the law eliminating their competition. They are the only players for a reason, and it is because they wanted it that way.

          The result was the worst of both worlds: Coercion to buy a PRIVATE product (rampant statism), mixed with overwhelming funneling of money into the corporations that wrote the law and forced their demands to be met (corporatism), all with a leveling effect to make everyone else pay for the bloated costs of the care of the sick (socialism).

          And then the real master stroke: Getting the corporate lemming media, with disgusting scumbags like Roger Ailes and Ted Turner, to permeate the idea that we were having a "government takeover" of healthcare.....when in reality it was a corporate takeover, an Economic Royalist takeover.

          This way, the "solution" is to remove more of the governmental oversight, to allow even more coercion in the vacuum created to be filled by the corporatists that were really in charge all along. Disguise the poison as the antidote, get people to rail against the "government" (which you in fact control), and then in their disillusionment allow even stronger corporate "fixes" to consolidate your monopoly.

          Truly, truly brilliant....and no one has a clue.
          Lazarus,
          Great post and very informative.

          Grizz

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          • Originally posted by Grizz View Post


            Obama using food-stamp cash to fund Michelle’s ‘Let’s Move’

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            On Nov. 1, sizable cuts were gouged into the federal food-stamp program (or, nas it’s now called, SNAP, Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), which feeds 47.6 million people, or nearly one in six Americans. In the city, 1.9 million folks get the bulk of their Jell-O and Campbell’s Soup from stamps.
            But news has spread among the poor, like leafy green vegetables, that it wasn’t heartless Republicans who triggered the cuts.
            Rather, some of the food-stamp cash was snatched to pay for Michelle Obama’s pet project, Let’s Move. What?
            [url=http://nypost.com/2013/11/11/obama-takes-from-kids-dinners-to-fund-michelles-project/]Obama using food-stamp cash to fund Michelle[/


            Obama's DHS Funds Installation of White Boxes That Can Track Population of Entire City
            Dept of Homeland Security is Obama's Private Army, "Just as well funded, Just as Powerful as the Military"
            DHS can now secretly track your EVERY move via new secretive MESH network.
            Strange new off-white boxes popping up in downtown Seattle use wi-fi networks that can record the last 1,000 locations of a person using their cellphone’s MAC address, but the Department of Homeland Security – which funded the network to the tune of $2.7 million dollars – has refused to address the nightmare privacy implications of a system that could lead to the permanent tracking of an entire city’s population.
            A report by The Stranger, a weekly Seattle newspaper, exposes how the boxes, which are attached to utility poles and include vertical antennae, can track cellphones even if they are not connected to the system’s wi-fi network.
            Aruba – the company that provided the boxes to the Seattle Police Department – brags in its technical literature about how the boxes can keep track of “rogue” or “unassociated” devices, in other words, your cellphone even if you have refused to let the system access your device’s wi-fi component.

            [ATTACH=CONFIG]14481[/ATTACH]
            Store your cellphone in a metal case to avoid being tracked by Obama's Secret DHS operation MESH.
            So now Obama is recording your every keystroke, every phone conversation, every email, and NOW everywhere you go!
            DHS Funds Installation of White Boxes That Can Track Population of Entire City
            Hitler could only DREAM of having this kind of RAW
            Judge Judy is watched for the pure entertainment value because of the ridiculous things said so I guess her and Megyn Kelly have that in common.

            That article on food stamps is complete bullshit and a lie: Food Stamp Decrease Set For November

            I hear that tinfoil hats will protect you from the gubbment spying.

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            • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
              Everyone needs to hear my story because what Obama and I learned at Columbia explains EXACTLY what Obama is doing to America today.

              America’s decline under Obama isn’t due to mistake, ignorance, or incompetence at the hands of a community organizer. It’s a purposeful, brilliant plan hatched at Columbia University to destroy capitalism, American exceptionalism, Judeo-Christian values, and the American Dream.
              Um, if every purposeful, brilliant plan hatched during college came true, all of america would look like Portland, OR. It wouldn't be a megalomaniacal evil, it would be food trucks selling organic twinkies AND bong hits!

              In a university of 20,000 students, in the middle of New York City, you insist that there was an intellectual homogenization that never exists in college.

              This is a forum dedicated to one very particular and clear form of diet, with very few super-active users--relative to NYC/Columbia size, and yet none of us agree on anything--and a lot of us end up changing our minds about EVERYTHING.
              I ate Taco Bell in college. No longer, and never again. People change, Grizz. Stress kills. Relax.

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              • Originally posted by vh67 View Post
                Judge Judy is watched for the pure entertainment value because of the ridiculous things said so I guess her and Megyn Kelly have that in common.
                Before knocking Megyn Kelly, I suggest you watch her show. I haven't enjoyed a news cast so much since Walter Kronkite.

                Here is a sample of her show, "The Kelly Files"
                Megyn Kelly Rips Erickson For 'Offensive' Post: I'm Not An Emo Liberal - YouTube
                NO ONE pulls the wool over her eyes! Yes, you are right, she is every bit as entertaining as Judge Judy. She makes the Liberals EAT CROW & SQUIRM LIKE A WORM at every opportunity.

                Yes, you are right, I do need a tinfoil hat to protect me from the NEVER ENDING OBAMA LIES. We can tell when Obama & his Progressive Democrats are Lying, THEIR LIPS ARE MOVING !

                Grizz

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                • I have tried to watch her show and have never been able to sit through it. She is just another overmadeup, overbleached overfilled sweater that has nothing of substance to say. I don't watch most news shows. Sadly, the only ones I do watch are on Comedy Central.

                  Our government has been spying on us from its formation and sadly it will continue, no matter who is in charge. Technology just makes it far easier as does our need to overshare everything in our lives. The people monitoring me will probably die of boredom! Not saying I agree with it but don't blame just one President for it, blame them all.

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                  • REPUBLICAN CHRIS CHRISTIE KICKS DEMOCRAT TO THE GUTTER
                    in a union controlled Democratic State !

                    He won re-election as a Republican governor by almost 60 percent of the vote. He loved to talk about what he called the “Teamwork Government” he had brought to his state capital — especially when it came to contrasting what he and his tight-knit band of advisers deemed as the wild success and popularity of his Teamwork Government with the chaos of Washington.

                    He boldly went where other Republicans would not go, winning an unprecedented pledge of neutrality from the deeply liberal labor movement. Stunningly, of the 24 members of the American Federation of Labor’s endorsement board, 22 wanted to enthusiastically endorse him, the union finally declining out of respect for the remaining 2 members who favored his Democratic opponent.

                    He was fearless in taking on his critics in his own Republican Party, repeatedly lecturing them that government was created to meet the needs of man, bluntly rejecting what he called “the blind obstruction which Democrats claim is our habit and some Republicans would like to take as our role.” At one campaign rally he was especially defiant. “It is the job of a majority party to build, not to tear down; to go forward, not to obstruct. It is not the function of a political party to die fighting for obsolete slogans.… In a generation torn by strife between extremists and fanatics, let us have the balance… to prove that democracy can maintain itself as a master of its own destiny, feed its hungry, house its homeless, and provide work for its idle… without the reliance on political racketeers.”

                    He loved the idea of medical insurance for the poor.

                    The media loved his bulldog manner, his bluntness (“That’s a stupid question,” he once barked to a reporter), making him the hottest politician to cover. He was, wrote one journalistic admirer, “a live figure in a party of snoozing stuffed shirts.” They heaped on the favorable publicity, “because he was so obviously hard-boiled,” noting admiringly — in one case in capital letters — that he “GETS THINGS DONE.” Rest of the story here:
                    Chris Christie: The New Tom Dewey | The American Spectator

                    Obama should look to Chris to see how to manage the government instead of LYING about every subject.
                    Maybe Chris will give Obama some remedial training in politics.

                    Grizz

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                    • Originally posted by vh67 View Post
                      I have tried to watch her show and have never been able to sit through it. She is just another overmadeup, overbleached overfilled sweater that has nothing of substance to say. I don't watch most news shows. Sadly, the only ones I do watch are on Comedy Central.

                      Our government has been spying on us from its formation and sadly it will continue, no matter who is in charge. Technology just makes it far easier as does our need to overshare everything in our lives. The people monitoring me will probably die of boredom! Not saying I agree with it but don't blame just one President for it, blame them all.
                      We can't just accept this treason against America without speaking up ! I think Obama should fight against the NSA and all of its unconstitutional spying. He did in fact give his oath to support the constitution. He is in clear violation of his oath, and should be impeached for this alone! Instead of embracing spying on us and making it even WORSE. He should be impeached for BREACH OF CONTRACT with America.

                      If a company president had made the promises that Obama made about Healthcare, he would be thrown in jail for 20 years! "Healthcare will cost less, you can keep your healthcare & doctor PERIOD" were all lies and a BREACH OF CONTRACT ! ! 5 Million People are now SUFFERING as of today with their policies canceled. An estimated 130 Million will be suffering by 2014. Never before in History have we had such a Lying Scoundrel & traitor to the Constitution for President.

                      Impeach Obama NOW
                      http://www.teaparty.org/impeach-obama-fax/

                      Grizz

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                      • What contract did he breach? He was elected. Even if he did breach this imaginary contract, that would be a civil matter, not a criminal or impeachable offense. Much of what you are railing against started before he was in office. Should we pursue charges against every living former president? I think both congress and the President need to step in here but they are afraid to because who wants to be the one blamed when the finger pointing starts after another terrorist attack.

                        It is funny that you posted what you did about Christie. Your Tea Party was screaming about him not that long ago and was among his biggest critics following Hurricane Sandy for daring to work with Obama to get the help his state needed.

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                        • What contract did he breach? He was elected. Even if he did breach this imaginary contract, that would be a civil matter, not a criminal or impeachable offense
                          VH67,
                          Here it is again. You obviously missed it.
                          If a company president had made the promises that Obama made about Healthcare, he would be thrown in jail for 20 years!

                          I'll spell it out for you. He placed his hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution of the USA. He LIED again as usual. This is an impeachable offense.

                          Obama needs to be in the BIG HOUSE, not the White House.
                          Video explains why he needs to be in jail:
                          Obama Belongs In A Prison Cell

                          Why Obamacare Will Motivate Millions Of Americans To Make Less Money And Get Divorced
                          Did you know that Obamacare contains huge incentives that will actually motivate people to try to reduce their incomes? It’s true. Under Obamacare, making less money can pay off big time. As you will see below, reducing your income by just $1,000 could get you an Obamacare subsidy worth over $14,000. Who wouldn’t want to make that trade? And guess what? Obamacare also makes divorce highly profitable for millions of American couples. In fact, there are some U.S. couples that are already considering divorce due to the provisions contained in the new health care law. Of course those couples still plan to live together – they just want to get divorced so that they can save thousands of dollars on their health care expenses. Yes, I know that sounds absolutely crazy. But this is actually happening. The truth is that Obamacare is turning out to be a much larger disaster than anyone anticipated, and it seems like new “surprises” just keep popping up with each passing day.
                          Read more at Why Obamacare Will Motivate Millions Of Americans To Make Less Money And Get Divorced | InvestmentWatch

                          Impeach Obama
                          Impeach Obama Fax - Tea Party

                          Grizz

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                          • No, I did not miss it. You used a legal term and I asked you how that term was applicable here. Being the president of a company and the President of this country are very different jobs. A president of a company probably does have a contract with company he works for. Therefore, you can have a beach of contract there. My point was that you should not use legal terms that you do not seem to understand. The President of United States' is bound by the Constitution, which is not a contract.

                            How can anyone take you seriously when you post untrue stories from extremely biased "news" sources and you make accusations that have no basis like the breach of contract one. You are a bit like the Tea Party version of the National Enquirer.

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                            • I think that if we are going to impeach Presidents, Obama would not be first on the list.

                              Reagan: Would be dug up and necrophilia would ensue by the right if they could, yet it is no longer even disputed that he committed what was likely the most impeachable offense by any modern president.....it was called "Iran-Contra", and everyone acts as if it never even happened....here is the short of it: He and his henchmen saw a law passed overwhelmingly by Congress that made it illegal for tax dollars to go to paramilitary groups there (AKA "Death squads"). Reagan didn't like this, so he SOLD GUNS TO IRAN (our sworn enemy that had taken hundreds prisoner in the beginning of his administration) to funnel money to central American death squads, thus getting the money to them behind Congress's back. That is treason. Period. He left in disgrace, and he should be remembered as a disgrace.

                              Clinton: All of the awful trade agreement which hollowed out the country's middle class, such as WTO, GATT, and NAFTA were all signed into law without Congressional approval....this is ALSO explicitly forbidden by the Constitution, as it says very plainly that all treaties must receive a super-majority in the Senate for approval. The same just happened again with the TPP (all of these T's are for treaty) under Obama, which is being negotiated by corporate titans in secret.

                              Bush W: Neither Iraq or Afghanistan was a "clear and present danger" to the US, yet both did not get a Congressional declaration of war. Both were done under the above clause in the Constitution, the only scenario in which the President actually can move unilaterally, under false pretenses.

                              Just saying, all of this fuss about the Constitution being followed is quite obviously selective and politically motivated. No modern president, dem or republican, has remotely followed it. That's a fact.
                              "The soul that does not attempt flight; does not notice its chains."

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                              • Originally posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
                                Just saying, all of this fuss about the Constitution being followed is quite obviously selective and politically motivated. No modern president, dem or republican, has remotely followed it. That's a fact.
                                +1. I'm not sure who the last president was that did a decent job. Maybe Grover Cleveland? I know all the post-WWII ones have been bad.
                                In matters of style, swim with the current. In matters of principle, stand like a rock.

                                This message has been intercepted by the NSA, the only branch of government that listens.

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