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  • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
    Tell that to people who were cured through my efforts. Tell us what you have done to help your sickly, suffering, obese neighbors.

    Grizz
    Umm..looking around. My neighbors appear quite healthy and are definitely not obese. You truly are nuts.

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    • I loathe my neighbors in this nice area I moved to a few years ago. They're absolutely crazy and they make me miss my old drug-dealing neighbors in the crappy area I used to live in. At least the drug deals were quiet, their dogs were under control, and the police were always very friendly to me on their regular stops to the street to pick up parole violators.
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      • Originally posted by oceangrl View Post
        Umm..looking around. My neighbors appear quite healthy and are definitely not obese. You truly are nuts.
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        Oceangrl,

        Thank you for that label,calling me a nut. What are you?
        * A Troll?
        * Just plain RUDE?
        * A Progressive following the Rules for Radicals? I know, you are following Rule # 5, because I am exposing the Left & I must be stopped:

        * RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

        The rest of Rules For Radicals:
        Here is the complete list from Alinsky.
        * RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.”
        Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)
        * RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”
        It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)
        * RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.”
        Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
        * RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
        If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)
        * RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
        There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)
        * RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
        They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)
        * RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”
        Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)
        * RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”
        Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)
        * RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)
        * RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”
        Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)
        * RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”
        Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)
        * RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”
        Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

        http://www.bestofbeck.com/wp/activis...s-for-radicals
        The Progressive Left is extremely well funded & well organized, backed up by George Soros & his BILLIONS.

        Grizz
        Last edited by Grizz; 11-10-2013, 01:02 PM.

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        • Do You Want A Nationalized Drug Industry?

          The push to nationalize industries during the Obama era marches on. Banks are under siege with JP Morgan Chase choking on regulation and penalties that extract existing profits for government coffers. Health insurance companies are dictated as to what they can charge and what their profit margins can be. And now the official onslaught against pharmaceutical companies has been launched by the mouthpiece of the left – The New York Times. Rest of the story:
          Do You Want A Nationalized Drug Industry? - Bruce Bialosky - Page full

          A Nationalized Drug Industry = MORE COMMUNISM !
          Obama & his Czars are relentless.

          Impeach Obama. One click sends a Fax to everyone in Congress & the Senate:
          Impeach Obama Fax - Tea Party

          Grizz

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          • Originally posted by Jefferson1775 View Post
            In a free market "utopia," if you don't trust a doctor's credentials, you can always go pick another. It would be the same with insurance companies. If a company has a reputation for denying coverage, there would be others ready to take their business with better service.
            In a free market "utopia", you will have no way to verify a doctor's credentials. And if it turns out the doctor or the insurance company is lying to you. well, not only is it not illegal, but there is no recourse to the consumer. Your insurance company didn't pay? Oh, well. Pay it all yourself.

            Government isn't required to ensure a product's quality. There are already commercial services that do this (Underwriters Laboratories with all kinds of stuff and Popular Mechanics with new cars). This is currently the case with most of the supplements that I use (whey, creatine). The FDA doesn't regulate them, so I must rely on reviews from fellow consumers. It's working well.
            Really, it is legal for them to put any sort of material in a jar and sell it to you as pure creatine, and up to the consumer to determine the safety and purity based on what? Consumers have to spend hundreds of dollars running assays to determine what's in the jar? Should someone die, who would determine this was the cause of death? I think you don't understand what regulations do and do not do.

            If a doctor killed people from negligence, they most likely would never see another patient. Even if they're not sued for a hefty sum, nobody would want to go see a doctor that has a good chance of killing them.
            This is hilarious. You have no idea how medicine works. Who is going to do the investigation to determine that the doctor is at fault, given that in the free market "utopia", consumers will not have the legal right to sue a doctor they suspect has made a medical mistake and killed a relative of theirs?

            People should look out for each other. But government isn't needed for that. People are happy to give.
            "People" are happy to run multi-million dollar investigations to determine the cause of food-borne illness. Who knew?

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            • Originally posted by Gay Panda View Post
              I loathe my neighbors in this nice area I moved to a few years ago. They're absolutely crazy and they make me miss my old drug-dealing neighbors in the crappy area I used to live in. At least the drug deals were quiet, their dogs were under control, and the police were always very friendly to me on their regular stops to the street to pick up parole violators.
              Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone.



              Seriously, suburbia is the scariest place I know.
              "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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              • Our capitalist system has created its own socialism. We allow capitalists to ditch social costs so they can boost profits and keep our economic ponzi scheme growing. Then you complain that gov't is taking over. Great! Let corporations take back their part of the social contract!

                To create this corporate growth, companies have eliminated health insurance and pensions, cut wages, cut the quality of their products, built in planned obsolesence.

                Now, instead of a high school graduate being able to support himself and his wife and kids, plus buying a home (and a washing machine and car that would last 30 years), and pay for his own retirement plus kids' college IF they were thrifty, he AND his wife are both working at Target, buying shitty stuff on credit that always breaks, they have 401k, MAYBE, and no health insurance.

                IF the kids go to college, it will be debt-serviced. Ditto with their car, the washing machine that will last a few years, the mortgaged house, buying a phone on contract. This is not communism, it is not laziness, it is not a progressive plot. It is society, trying to pick up the pieces corporate america keeps dropping.

                This is why gov't jobs look so cushy--because gov't still treats its employees the way corporate america used to.

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                • Grizz - what's the main points about iodine u think is important to understand? I've looked through some of the threads and not finding anything useful. Could u point me to something which u think has good info?

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                  • Originally posted by Primal Bill View Post
                    Grizz - what's the main points about iodine u think is important to understand? I've looked through some of the threads and not finding anything useful. Could u point me to something which u think has good info?
                    Bill,
                    Here are the main links to get you started.
                    http://tinyurl.com/Iodine-Handout
                    http://tinyurl.com/iodine-references

                    If anyone has further questions, I have a new Iodine thread here:
                    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1353421

                    There is a Nationwide Iodine Deficiency Epidemic, and it impacts mainly women.
                    * Fibrocystic Breasts,
                    * Ovary Cysts
                    * Uterus problems
                    * Thyroid problems
                    * Brain fog
                    Men also suffer from Prostate problems, low testosterone & thyroid problems later in life.

                    Every cell in the human body requires iodine, and people are getting sick because Fluoride, Bromide, & Chlorine replace iodine in our cells:
                    Iodine deficiencies & dosages

                    The fast way to learn about iodine is to read this wonderful book:

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                    http://www.amazon.com/Iodine-Crisis-...=iodine+crisis

                    I bought this book for my family, sickly people in Church and everyone in my neighborhood.

                    Grizz
                    Last edited by Grizz; 11-10-2013, 02:04 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by fitmom View Post
                      This is why gov't jobs look so cushy--because gov't still treats its employees the way corporate america used to.
                      Interacting with US government workers is bizarre…they are truly in a walking coma. Yet even though they don't have to do any work, they are pissed off!!

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                      • Originally posted by fitmom View Post
                        Our capitalist system has created its own socialism. We allow capitalists to ditch social costs so they can boost profits and keep our economic ponzi scheme growing. Then you complain that gov't is taking over. Great! Let corporations take back their part of the social contract!

                        To create this corporate growth, companies have eliminated health insurance and pensions, cut wages, cut the quality of their products, built in planned obsolesence.

                        Now, instead of a high school graduate being able to support himself and his wife and kids, plus buying a home (and a washing machine and car that would last 30 years), and pay for his own retirement plus kids' college IF they were thrifty, he AND his wife are both working at Target, buying shitty stuff on credit that always breaks, they have 401k, MAYBE, and no health insurance.

                        IF the kids go to college, it will be debt-serviced. Ditto with their car, the washing machine that will last a few years, the mortgaged house, buying a phone on contract. This is not communism, it is not laziness, it is not a progressive plot. It is society, trying to pick up the pieces corporate america keeps dropping.

                        This is why gov't jobs look so cushy--because gov't still treats its employees the way corporate america used to.
                        Fitmom,
                        Now I suppose you are telling us that this family has a right to a free home, free food, free car. Listen, maybe he can't afford a house, and he should rent an apartment that has a washer. Maybe he should live where there is bus service instead of owning an expensive car. Maybe he can't afford all of those children. He should be responsible & live within his means just like the rest of us have had to do for our entire life. If he doesn't like his job, find another job with better pay. He is free to choose any number of careers. If he can't afford a wife & children, he should have waited to get married until he was better established, just like many men do. Maybe he should find a job with a strong union.

                        Left wing people hate profits so much.... Without profits, there are no jobs. A company cannot survive without profits, it cannot grow without profits. And Obama is KILLING off jobs & companies with his socialism Obama Care.
                        It is Obama that is forcing companies to cancel insurance because he made their policies illegal. And now it is worse than ever because he is dictating extremely expensive mental health coverage & rehab into everyone's policies whether they want it or not. Whether they can afford it or not. Sucks being forced into socialism, forced to pay for things you don't want at the point of a gun! When Obama & His Progressive Party finish with us, we will be into a DEPRESSION!

                        Grizz
                        Last edited by Grizz; 11-10-2013, 02:12 PM.

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                        • Originally posted by fitmom View Post
                          Our capitalist system has created its own socialism. We allow capitalists to ditch social costs so they can boost profits and keep our economic ponzi scheme growing. Then you complain that gov't is taking over. Great! Let corporations take back their part of the social contract!

                          To create this corporate growth, companies have eliminated health insurance and pensions, cut wages, cut the quality of their products, built in planned obsolesence.

                          Now, instead of a high school graduate being able to support himself and his wife and kids, plus buying a home (and a washing machine and car that would last 30 years), and pay for his own retirement plus kids' college IF they were thrifty, he AND his wife are both working at Target, buying shitty stuff on credit that always breaks, they have 401k, MAYBE, and no health insurance.

                          IF the kids go to college, it will be debt-serviced. Ditto with their car, the washing machine that will last a few years, the mortgaged house, buying a phone on contract. This is not communism, it is not laziness, it is not a progressive plot. It is society, trying to pick up the pieces corporate america keeps dropping.

                          This is why gov't jobs look so cushy--because gov't still treats its employees the way corporate america used to.
                          ^This

                          I remember when it was that way. My father worked at Western Electric (part of AT&T) & earned enough to buy a decent (not fancy) home and a Chevy that lasted as long as you said. We were covered 100% by a Blue Cross/Blue Shield plan paid for by AT&T. Now that that part of AT&T has become Alcatel-Lucent, they have broken the retiree agreements leaving my Mom (age 99) self-paying for the Medicare Advantage plan they have substituted for the retiree/spouse healthcare they promised. Corporate America is screwing the electorate and Grizz naively thinks it is the poor and disenfranchised who are hurting us.
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                          Current Weight: 123
                          Far healthier!

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                          • The old insurance plans were 80/20 and we accepted responsibility for the deductible up to a certain amount. In the 80s, the HMOs were shoved down our throats. They made things worse. I don't doubt that for most workers, the new O-plan will make things worse also.

                            One things I've learned as a cranky old lady is that as soon as we let the govt "fix" something, there's about an 80% chance it will get worse.

                            I don't know how to make it better because I don't have access to the real financial information. Maybe the answer is patriotic suicide at age 85.
                            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                            B*tch-lite

                            Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                            • Originally posted by fitmom View Post
                              You want healthcare to be like some medical version of Survivor--lots of competition. But the thing about science-based professions is that they work best COOPERATIVELY. You might say that science is communistic. When a discovery is made, it is published, put out there, and--if valid--can be replicated in other studies. For example, you offer info on iodine and cholesterol freely.

                              In a competition model, doctors would not share treatment notes, resources (ie, MRI machines, surgery staff)--scientific research would be a trade secret. That doesn't work well. Doctors cut costs when they share--expensive machinery, anesthesiologists, operating rooms, billing staff.

                              Also, it isn't the government imposing massive paperwork on doctors. It's the for-profit, competition model insurance companies. I know doctors who have been able to lengthen the time they spend with patients, offer more resources, and reduce their office staff by two, full-time people, just because they stopped taking insurance. They give you the paperwork and let you, the patient, deal w/your insurance. Then they don't have to jump through the insurance co. billing hoops.

                              I get that you don't like things as they stand. But don't be so quick to call communist on everything. Sometimes, capitalism and competition breaks things, too.
                              This......you need to back off a little Grizz......you make some really good points, and provide some good, interesting info, if not provocative at times, but then you scare people off with your insistence that if it isn't capitalist and conservative, it's communism....it just isn't that black and white......
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                              • Originally posted by Barnyard View Post
                                This......you need to back off a little Grizz......you make some really good points, and provide some good, interesting info, if not provocative at times, but then you scare people off with your insistence that if it isn't capitalist and conservative, it's communism....it just isn't that black and white......
                                What do you think Obamacare should be called?
                                Forcing everyone to take the same crazy insurance whether they want it or not is Communism in my book. What do you call it?
                                Forcing men to take pregnancy insurance? Forcing men to pay for birth control & abortions?

                                We have not had a capitalist system since the 1930's. We have an out of control government headed into bankruptcy. Obama added more debt to the USA than any other president in history, and has refused to submit a budget. All of this debt will unravel raising interest rates through the roof or will end up with out of control money creation out of thin air. We know what that causes. Remember the Weimer Republic?

                                Grizz

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