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  • Keep up the fight. Grizz. We've been saying what you're saying for years now. Perhaps the letters people are receiving in the mail will be their wake-up call. I hope it's not too late to turn the ship around.

    We have decided that we will opt out and pay the penalty. My husband and I are self employed and we were planning to continue a high deductible Health Savings Plan - now outlawed by Obamacare. So what is left for us is a high premium, high deductable, total out of pocket that could put us into bankruptcy plan - Obamacare approved. (Because the government knows better). Opting out will save us 10,000 this year. We've always paid our way with the doctors, and only want major medical. Obamacare does just the opposite for us.

    If you can, everyone - opt out.

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    • Originally posted by APPLEGIRL View Post
      Keep up the fight. Grizz. We've been saying what you're saying for years now. Perhaps the letters people are receiving in the mail will be their wake-up call. I hope it's not too late to turn the ship around.

      We have decided that we will opt out and pay the penalty. My husband and I are self employed and we were planning to continue a high deductible Health Savings Plan - now outlawed by Obamacare. So what is left for us is a high premium, high deductable, total out of pocket that could put us into bankruptcy plan - Obamacare approved. (Because the government knows better). Opting out will save us 10,000 this year. We've always paid our way with the doctors, and only want major medical. Obamacare does just the opposite for us.

      If you can, everyone - opt out.
      Applegirl,

      WOW ! I don't blame you for opting out. I agree that Everyone should opt out and that will kill Obamacare permanenetly, like a bomb blast... IMO, Obamacare will die on the vine before April. I love the comparison made by expert programmers, You can't make a baby in one month by bringing in 9 women. This relates to Obama's promise that his sinking ship will be running by Nov31st. The experts say NO WAY.

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      I just sent my fax and it took less than 5 minutes. I'm also sending this Quick Fax off to everyone on my email list.

      I think it is just TERRIBLE how complacent the American People are. I for one am fighting for my country. It is clear to me that the Fabian Socialists will conquer the USA lock, stock & barrel without firing a single shot. I do wish others would step up and help us here.

      Grizz
      Last edited by Grizz; 11-01-2013, 09:36 AM.

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      • Excellent Videos:

        ObamaCare: What You're Not Being Told
        ObamaCare: What You're Not Being Told | XRepublic

        Video: What the MSM Won’t Tell You: 83% of Private Practice Doctors May Be Quitting Due to Obamacare
        WOW ! The facts presented by the doctor's viewpoint. This is the very best yet, EXCELLENT ! This comes through loud & clear: The "Direct Pay System" will cost consumers a tiny fraction of doing business through insurance companies & hospitals, so many doctors will be abandoning ALL insurance & government mandates to go to direct pay, or retire. The crises for doctors is far worse than for us! This is an amazing video:
        What the MSM Won


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        Grizz
        Last edited by Grizz; 11-01-2013, 10:32 AM.

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        • Grizz,

          I'm old enough to remember when Direct Pay was the only system available in the U.S. It worked very well and no one was barred due to poverty. I even remember when the doctor came to our house instead of the reverse.

          But I also remember that what broke-up that system were millions of court cases filed against doctors for malpractice. After 20 years of this, doctors were forced to give up personal private practice and join into group private practice so that the group could self-insure it's doctors, or the group could buy insurance for it's doctors.

          Even the latter system, the most expensive, was a big improvement on anything we have today. My question is, if doctors return to private practice, how will they deal with malpractice suits?
          "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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          • Originally posted by Cryptocode View Post
            Grizz,

            I'm old enough to remember when Direct Pay was the only system available in the U.S. It worked very well and no one was barred due to poverty. I even remember when the doctor came to our house instead of the reverse.

            But I also remember that what broke-up that system were millions of court cases filed against doctors for malpractice. After 20 years of this, doctors were forced to give up personal private practice and join into group private practice so that the group could self-insure it's doctors, or the group could buy insurance for it's doctors.

            Even the latter system, the most expensive, was a big improvement on anything we have today. My question is, if doctors return to private practice, how will they deal with malpractice suits?
            Crypto,
            It is too bad that the government didn't implement malpractice reform. I assume they will have to pay their malpractice insurance just as they do now. However they won't have to pay for staff to fight with the insurance companies, deal with Obama's Dictatorship, be forced into buying VERY EXPENSIVE software & other unfair dictates to handle Obama Care. That video I posted in the previous thread was a REAL EYE OPENER ! Doctors are just not going to put up with Obama's Dictatorship. This is WWIII between the doctors & Obama. IMO, Obama cannot win this war!

            IMO, Obama Care will just die on the vine if everyone who is healthy Opts Out. I just can't imagine people will follow Obama like sheep and fall for this horrible insurance. It is an UNJUST LAW. It is EXTORTION by the Insurance Companies under a Progressives dictator.

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            Grizz
            Last edited by Grizz; 11-02-2013, 10:37 AM.

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            • IfYouLikeYourConstitution.jpg

              Obama & his Progressive Comrades:
              The Progressive Goals in writing:
              1. Strong, centralized government.
              2. Powerful Executive at the expense of Congress and the Judicial ( Dictator )
              3. Government controlled banking, credit and securities exchange.
              4. Government control over employment.
              5. Unemployment insurance, old age pensions.
              6. Universal medical care, food and housing programs. ( Communism )
              7. Access to unlimited government borrowing ( Bankrupt the country )
              8. A managed monetary system.
              9. Government control over foreign trade.
              10. Government control over natural energy sources, transportation and agricultural production.
              11. Government regulation of labor.
              12. Youth camps devoted to health discipline, community service and ideological teaching consistent with those of the authorities.
              13. Heavy progressive taxation. Dividends now taxed at 45% !
              The Progressive Socialist Dream Come True

              15 Tea Party Non-negotiable Core Beliefs
              1. Illegal aliens are here illegally.
              2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
              3. A strong military is essential.
              4. Special interests must be eliminated.
              5. Gun ownership is sacred.
              6. Government must be downsized.
              7. The national budget must be balanced.
              8. Deficit spending must end.
              9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
              10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
              11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
              12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
              13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
              14. English as our core language is required.
              15. Traditional family values are encouraged.
              https://www.teaparty.org/about-us/
              The Tea Party makes Obama LIVID! The political battles between Obama & his Progressive Party & the Tea Party are INTENSE, as we have seen in the shutdown.

              Our political choice is clear cut: The new "Progressive Democrats of America" who took over the old Democratic Party or the new "Tea Party" who have taken over the old Republican Party.

              The old Republican & Democrats are long gone since 2004.

              We have a clear cut political choice at the polls. Do you choose Socialist Dictatorship or our Constitutional Freedoms?
              EVERY VOTE COUNTS

              Grizz
              Last edited by Grizz; 11-02-2013, 01:03 AM.

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              • Hot news today !

                IMO) The very best coverage on the Obama Care Disaster & the Democrat never ending LIES is on the Megyn Kelly File, Fox News 9:00PM CST

                1) In 2010, the Republicans tried to introduce legislation that would force Obama Care to make good on its promise, "If you like your insurance, you can keep it." Democrats unanimously voted it down, said Kelly on Fox News 11/1/13
                https://spitfiremurphy.wordpress.com...keep-it-claim/

                2) So far the vast majority of Obamacare Applicants have been routed into MEDICAID, which must be paid for by the STATES !
                Under Obamacare, millions of low-income uninsured people are expected to enroll in Medicaid, which will be expanded significantly in about half the states on Jan. 1. Plus, the health law’s enrollment push is expected to bring out of the woodwork people who are currently eligible but haven’t already signed up for Medicaid. Early data from states running their own enrollment systems are reporting tens of thousands of new Medicaid enrollees so far this month, a potential indicator of strong interest. [This may explain why 36 states have so far opted out ]
                Medicaid Could Be the Next Headache for Obamacare | RocketNews
                AMAZING GOOGLE SEARCHES FOR MEDICAID SKYROCKETS ARE CENSORED ! ! ! !
                Use DuckGo instead to search MEDICAID SKYROCKETS.
                Get ready, this of course means state taxes must go up to pay. States are not allowed to run up debts.

                3) Progressive Democrats are now trying to blame republicans for this disaster
                Democrats try to blame the Obamcare roll-out failure on the government shutdown | Opinion - Conservative
                Stuck with an unpopular law whose launch has been an unmitigated disaster, the Democratic Party has morphed from a ruthless, unified political machine to a frantic, zig-zagging tornado of blame.
                Desperation: Democrats Blame Obamacare Woes on GOP - Guy Benson

                4) Progressive Democrats are trying to blame insurance companies for following the Obama Care Laws !
                90 Million PLUS insurance plans being canceled because they are illegal under Obama Care Laws, and NOW desperate Democrats are trying to blame Insurance Companies!
                " The entire Democratic party is now in lockstep blaming the insurance companies for cancellations that have come about because of rules written by bureaucrats in the Obama administration. Leading Democrats on the Hill have their talking points and they're sticking with them...." Read more: Blog: White House, Dems blaming insurance companies for policy cancellations

                5) Doctors suing the government for Obamacare !
                There are too many lawsuits against Obamacare to list. Not just doctors, but school districts, , 27 states, companies & much more. Use this DuckGo link to see the amazing number of lawsuits. GOOGLE HAS MOST OF IT CENSORED.
                https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Lawsuits+a...kd=-1&kl=us-en

                NOTICE! GOOGLE HAS BECOME NEARLY WORTHLESS, (unreliable at best ) to search for Obama Care problems & the Progressive Democrats. Last night a search for "Progressive Democrats of America" turned up NOTHING. I had to use DuckGo to do my search! I will no longer be using Google.

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                Grizz
                Last edited by Grizz; 11-02-2013, 12:12 PM.

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                • NEWS BRIEFS ON THE OBAMA CARE FIASCO

                  1) Obamacare Birth Control Mandate Struck Down By Court Over Religious Freedom, going to Supreme Court.

                  2) Top U.S. Hospitals Are Opting Out Of Obamacare
                  Reason - Poor reimbursement & fear of not being paid.

                  3) Obama quietly raises aid to Israel from $30 Billion to $40 Billion as Food Stamps are slashed by $5 Billion !


                  Obamacare = World Wide Joke

                  4) John McAfee Video - insists Obamacare site is dangerous for identity theft

                  5) INSANE WASTE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR OBAMACARE
                  Not even Paul and John would have any clue what the message is or what is going on in this psychedelic, Yellow Subamrine-inspired TV ad slot for Obamacare titled "Fly With Your Own Wings", part of the Cover Oregon campaign (funded by US taxpayers). Perhaps: enroll in Obamacare, get a lifetime supply of LSD for free...



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                  Last edited by Grizz; 11-02-2013, 03:04 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                    So far I still get very cheap insurance from my employer. It's less than $100 a month because my employer is huge and can negotiate. I agree the affordable care act is not affordable. If I'm ever forced into this system I do not know what I will do. The ACA should have been a single payer-system or nothing at all.
                    It could be that this is the first step on the path to a single-payer system.....
                    The life I have today is far better than I deserve.......

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                    SW - 192
                    CW - 180
                    GW - 165-170

                    Current addiction: ice cream (and sugar in general).....doing battle with it!

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                    • Anything that is predicated on profit is doomed to fail. That is the reality.[/QUOTE]

                      Profit is what drives a capitalist society......there has to be another answer, short of socialization, which has been shown to ultimately fail also.....just some random thoughts.....
                      The life I have today is far better than I deserve.......

                      M, 58, 6'0
                      SW - 192
                      CW - 180
                      GW - 165-170

                      Current addiction: ice cream (and sugar in general).....doing battle with it!

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                      • Originally posted by Barnyard View Post
                        Anything that is predicated on profit is doomed to fail. That is the reality.
                        Profit is what drives a capitalist society......there has to be another answer, short of socialization, which has been shown to ultimately fail also.....just some random thoughts.....[/QUOTE]

                        The problem with health care is that it has not been free in our lifetime. Strict government regulations have prevented free competition at every level. When you have free competition, the capitalist system is the very best at delivering goods & services. Insurance companies are not allowed to compete across state lines. Doctors are restricted by burdensome laws.
                        The problem is government is too big, which gets in the way of freedom. A monopoly can only exist if by government laws. As John Stossel said in one of his great programs, EVERYTHING IS ILLEGAL, from the little girl trying to sell lemonade in front of her house, yard & garage sales in some areas, to anyone who dares to start any business without a "License." We have lost all of our freedoms from government that is too big, too intrusive and in everyone's face. Obamacare just makes this loss of freedom far worse than ever before, by limiting competition even further & with ever more stifling regulations. Obamacare care is government at its worst. IMO, best answer is to set doctors & hospitals free to compete with each other across state lines and do something about Tort Reform so doctors aren't forced to pay a ransom in insurance to do their job.

                        OBAMA FAR WORSE THAN BUSH !
                        President Obama urged Congress to approve his proposal, which would increase foreign aid spending for the 2014 budget by an additional $52 billion !

                        Obama secretly wants to raise foreign aid by 52 Billion . . .
                        as Food Stamps are slashed by $40 Billion ! Steal from America's poor and give away to foreigners makes ZERO SENSE.
                        President Obama Urges Increase in Aid - BORGEN
                        SHOCKING NEWS! OBAMA SUCCEEDS IN DISARMING AMERICA !
                        He shuts down the last lead manufacturer with deadly EPA regulations and orders government agencies to buy up the supply.
                        There are numerous alarming reasons why the US government and the military have been buying up all the ammo. Here’s one of them. Obama and the EPA just shut down the last lead smelting plant in the US. They raised the EPA regulations by 10 fold and it would have cost the plant $100 million to comply. You can own all the guns you want, but if you can’t get ammo, you are out of luck. Obama is making it impossible to buy ammo. If he can't outlaw guns, he will outlaw ammo! Full story:
                        http://www.libertyfederation.com/hav..._2nd_amendment

                        IfYouLikeYourConstitution.jpg

                        IMPEACH OBAMA

                        Grizz
                        Last edited by Grizz; 11-03-2013, 01:40 AM.

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                        • OBAMA OUTRAGES GETS WORSE BY THE DAY !

                          FOX News reports that the Obama Care Marriage Penalty is Grand Theft on a MASSIVE SCALE
                          Says that some single people will be forced to pay $10,000 MORE for insurance after marriage! This is just too outrageous to be true! Can this possibly be true? YES, CONFIRMED !
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                          On the Obamacare health insurance exchanges, being married can cost you a lot. Get divorced (or avoid getting married, if you live together), and you save $7,230 per year if you are a fairly typical 40-year-old couple with kids (example: the husband working full-time, and the wife working part time, with the husband making $70,000, and the wife making $23,000). If you are a 60-year-old couple with equal incomes and no kids, and you make $62,041 a year, you save $11,028 a year by getting divorced or remaining unmarried. These are the amounts of money you will lose if you get married
                          Massive Marriage Penalties in Obamacare Health Insurance Exchanges
                          YOU CAN KEEP YOUR INSURANCE IF I LIKE YOUR INSURANCE*
                          YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR IF I LIKE YOUR DOCTOR*

                          * Otherwise I cancel both and YOU are in deep doo doo if I don't like it, your Smiling Comrade Obama


                          OBAMA DICTATES MILITARY CAN NO LONGER USE "DON'T TREAD ON ME" PATCHES or flags!
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                          The symbols of American Freedom are being systematically destroyed by the Progressives. The emblem looks too much like a Tea Party emblem, and Obama & his Progressive Comrades DESPISE the Tea Party!
                          Obama Administration Orders Navy SEALs to Remove ‘Don’t Tread on Me’ Navy Jack From Uniforms | The Gateway Pundit

                          What if I don't Buy Insurance & Don't Pay The Fine??
                          “If you structure your taxes so that you do not get a refund, you do not have to buy insurance and you do not have to pay a fine 'cause they can't collect it from you if you don't have a refund due. They can't garnish wages & they can't force you to pay. They can ONLY grab your refunds.
                          http://finance.yahoo.com/news/does-t...144740030.html

                          Who is Obama?
                          Answer: He is a "Progressive Democrat." The Progressives took over the old Democrat Party in 2004 & brag about here. The Progressive Party has a VERY LONG & horrific history. Their Arch Enemy is the Tea Party infiltrating the old Republican Party with its old Progressive Leaders like McCain. The old Republican Party is now the Tea Party and the old Democrat Party is now the Progressive Socialist Party. Our choice is clear: Socialist Dictatorship or our Constitutional Government.

                          IMPEACH OBAMA
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                          http://www.teaparty.org/impeach-obama-fax/

                          The biggest outrage of all is public complacency! Our country is being stolen right under our nose by the Progressive Party & no one seems to care ! Does no one remember Hitler stealing Germany??? The American People must clearly learn the hard way.

                          Grizz
                          Last edited by Grizz; 11-04-2013, 02:36 AM.

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                          • 1) SHOCKING VIDEO BY A DOCTOR !
                            It will be illegal to give women a Mammogram if under 50 or over 75 years old under Obamacare. Doctor may be fined & jailed by the Progressive Democrat Gestapo.
                            The PJ Tatler Will More Doctors ‘Go Galt’ Because of Obamacare?
                            ObamaCare preview: no mammograms for women under 50 | PoliPundit.com
                            Mammograms were controversial before, but now become WAR between doctors & intrusive government.

                            2) The NEW WORD for Blatant Intentional Lies = Mis-spoke !
                            You can tell when Obama & the Progressive Democrats are Mis-Speaking, their lips are moving !
                            He Mis-Spoke 29 times when he said you can keep your insurance if you like it, PERIOD?
                            Obama denies videotaped "you can keep it" promises | The Daily Caller
                            IMO, It is a very sad situation when we can't believe a word that Obama & his Progressive Democrats Mis-Speak.
                            Oh yes, there is another term being used by MSM. Our Liar in Chief was simply telling us "UNTRUTHS"

                            Obama was just using Rule 2 of Rules For Radicals,"*
                            RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

                            Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky
                            There are strict rules used by the "Progressives."

                            Grizz
                            Last edited by Grizz; 11-06-2013, 08:14 AM.

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                            • On the Obamacare health insurance exchanges, being married can cost you a LOT of money.

                              Get divorced (or avoid getting married, if you live together), and you save $7,230 per year if you are a fairly typical 40-year-old couple with kids (example: the husband working full-time, and the wife working part time, with the husband making $70,000, and the wife making $23,000).

                              If you are a 60-year-old couple with equal incomes and no kids, and you make $62,041 a year, you save $11,028 a year by getting divorced or remaining unmarried. These are the amounts of money you will lose if you get married, since you will lose this amount of taxpayer subsidies due to Obamacare's discriminatory treatment of married versus unmarried couples. That's the reality confirmed by an Obamacare "calculator" provided by the pro-Obamacare Kaiser Family Foundation showing how Obamacare's "tax credits" work.

                              One reason is that lower-income couples will often lose money if they get married. Many federal benefits such as food stamps and the earned income tax credit phase out as income rises. Under federal law, if two individuals earning the minimum wage choose to marry, combining their incomes results in the loss of some $7,000 in federal benefits. The result: Fewer marriages, more births outside marriage and reduced prospects for rising into the middle class."

                              In addition to penalizing marriage, Obamacare also penalizes work. It will cut employment by an additional 800,000 because of work disincentives and strange income-cliffs. The rest of the story:
                              Obamacare Provides $7,200 'Divorce Incentive,' $11,000 for Older Couples | CNS News

                              IMO, the very best news coverage on the Obama Fiasco is on the Fox News Kelly File 9:00 PM EDT, 8:00 Central. She will not allow the guests on her show to talk over other guests. She will not allow Blatant Lies by the Democrat guests. If they refuse to play by here rules, she shuts off their mics! YAY ! You will not hear 3 people talking at one time on her show.
                              The Kelly File - 85% of healthcare policies may be impacted by Obama Care:
                              Could ObamaCare impact up to 85 percent of individual health insurance policies? | Interviews | Fox News

                              Grizz

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                              • One more true story of the Obamacare fiasco:

                                A friend of ours has a family heating/cooling business. They have quite a few employees and have always provided good quality health insurance. The employees put in a small amount each month toward their insurance.
                                Under Obamacare, the plan they have no longer exists. For more money, the company can get insurance for the employees, but the deductible is much higher. My friend said most of his employees have worked really hard to get out of debt and provide for their families. Unfortunately, they will have to contribute more each month and the higher deductible will probably put some of them in financial difficulties, if they need it.

                                On top of this, the family that owns the business had a more expensive plan for themselves, but by law, they have to have what they offer their employees, and because they don't want to pass the cost of the higher end plan on to their employees, the family that owns the business is forced to take a plan that they don't want.

                                This is utter madness. We are on a bad, bad path.

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