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  • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
    it's clear you weren't malicious in your intents, so I'll apologize. I admire the rest of your post and find myself agreeing with it. <snip>
    I don't think we're that different, maybe just both really passionate debaters. I respect that though.
    Aww, nice. I bet at least one of you can play the gitfiddle. Get strumming and I'll sing "kumbyah, my Lords, kumbyah"
    If you're interested in my (very) occasional updates on how I'm working out and what I'm eating click here.

    Originally posted by tfarny
    If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/

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    • While the Obama administration continues to stonewall government funding over the debacle known as Obamacare and a national debt debate looms, truckers head for their state capitals in support of the constitution, an act dubbed “ride for the constitution.”

      Arizona will have its own celebration of sovereignty, planning its own trucker ride to the state capital in Phoenix, AZ. Remember 1986, a liberty based coalition, along with The Greater Phoenix Tea Party Patriots or GPTPP, have put together a similar event to the one taking place in and around the nation’s capital beltway overseen by national trucker protest organizer Zeeda Andrews.

      Andrews has said the trucker shutdown near the District of Columbia will be done in waves, circling the entire beltway as few thousand trucks drive in concert, looking to make a peaceful protest about the current state of America.
      The rest of the story with video:
      Arizona Truckers ‘Ride for the Constitution’ in support of D.C. Trucker Protest

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      What do y'all think TYRANT O'Bummer will do to retaliate? IMO, he WILL show those truckers & Vets who is BOSS! Sparks may fly over this.

      Grizz
      Last edited by Grizz; 10-11-2013, 08:04 AM.

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      • I'm an agent...as of this morning, still can't get my mother registered to sell on the Exchange through the govt website and the Exchange itself is gridlocked, so all these people calling me are just having to wait.

        It will probably put us out of business in the end, though, which is sad, because we are a small family business who really tries to help people. We do give advice and tell people what will be best so that they will be relatively happy with their plan...I could never be a navigator with "no opinion" just information. That's not what it should be about. People don't understand insurance well enough...they need someone to explain and lead them to a good choice. It saddens me that they kept agents in the 20% of the MLR...I agree the carriers need to spend their money wisely, but we earn our commissions by practically working doctors hours for all of our clients.

        This whole thing is a grand mess, and I'm sorry but I definitely support the shutdown if it'll stop this trainwreck. None of my clients are getting any breaks so far. It would be one thing if it actually helped them.

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        • SUNDAY'S 'MILLION VET MARCH' WILL DEMAND OBAMA ADMIN OPEN MEMORIALS
          "Million Vet March on the Memorials" to protest the "anti-American" barricades the Obama administration set up as part of the federal government shutdown last week.
          Sunday's 'Million Vet March' Will Demand Obama Admin Open Memorials

          O'Bummer has the next move. Go ahead, show 'em who is BOSS & throw them all in jail and see what happens!

          Grizz

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          • Originally posted by Goldensparrow View Post
            I'm an agent...as of this morning, still can't get my mother registered to sell on the Exchange through the govt website and the Exchange itself is gridlocked, so all these people calling me are just having to wait.

            It will probably put us out of business in the end, though, which is sad, because we are a small family business who really tries to help people. We do give advice and tell people what will be best so that they will be relatively happy with their plan...I could never be a navigator with "no opinion" just information. That's not what it should be about. People don't understand insurance well enough...they need someone to explain and lead them to a good choice. It saddens me that they kept agents in the 20% of the MLR...I agree the carriers need to spend their money wisely, but we earn our commissions by practically working doctors hours for all of our clients.

            This whole thing is a grand mess, and I'm sorry but I definitely support the shutdown if it'll stop this trainwreck. None of my clients are getting any breaks so far. It would be one thing if it actually helped them.
            Thank you ! It is about time people started speaking out. You are our first hero in this thread,

            O'Bummer Care just doesn't work. Kill this obomination for a year to work out all the bugs. O'bummer is doing more harm than good by forcing a nationwide rollout that is so buggy & a program that is so expensive.

            Grizz

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            • Originally posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
              With all due respect, if you think the Constitution has been followed in the past 150 years, you need to do some more research. Republicans are fighting for THEIR set of corporate backers; namely large multi-nationals that get hurt by mandatory healthcare coverage, banks, and the ultra-wealthy 100, like the Koch brothers or Adelson.

              The Democrats are fighting very hard for THEIR set of corporate backers, who wrote the law they are defending. In their case, it is Big Pharma, the private hospital lobby, tort lawyers with their huge firms, and medical equipment companies.

              If you think high-minded stuff about "freedom" or the "Constitution" are being involved in either sides calculus here, I have a bridge to sell you in San Francisco.
              I know that bridge well, I see it every day when I look out my window!

              I've had lots of discussions about this same notion and my opinion was very close to yours, Lazarus, for a quite a while. It was changed quite a bit, however, after some pretty good arguments made by one of my professors back in the day. Her point was that the interest groups weren't as well organized as they are thought to be and there is a lot of emotion involved in formulating opinions to the expense of logic or even self interest.

              Now while there is certainly lots of rational criticism one might heap on the ACA, you hear precious little actual rational talk on the subject. There seems to be more of a visceral knee jerk reaction against it with folks screaming "SOCIALISM!" and whatnot. The irony of course is that the way it is set up, the ACA pushes us deeper into the privatization of healthcare through the insurance companies rather than actual socialism a la something like the NHS or single payer.

              Had McCain become elected and proposed exactly the same sort of law as the ACA, which isn't at all an unreasonable idea considering that ACA is essentially a Republican thought up system to begin with (almost identical to Romney's) I'd postulate that you'd see the almost the same groups of people that are wailing against "Obamacare" lining up to support it. For instance, no one really raised a fuss when Bush got Medicare part B put into place unfunded. Had Obama done the same thing they would have freaked out.
              Apathy is tyranny's greatest ally.

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              • Kestre,

                There is so much terribly wrong in this country that it is hard to pick what is worst. IMO, the military industrial complex demanding never ending WAR is a major problem being condoned by CONgress.

                However, O'Bummer is not helping the situation by being so VINDICTIVE at forcing a health plan on people that doesn't work, is too expensive, and forces people at the point of a gun. He should focus on the real health problems in this country.
                Obesity, GMO Bread that is ruining the health of people, an FDA that sucks industry teet, unhealthy foods that line grocery shelves, etc.

                He should focus on reducing the USA Debt by working with the politicians who want to reduce spending. He should agree that ACA doesn't work, and delay it one year to fix the bugs. O'bummer is not helping by demanding unlimited debt and an ACA that doesn't work. A president is supposed to be a LEADER, not a VINDICTIVE HORSES ASS.

                Grizz

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                • Obamacare Trainwreck - Lou Dobbs video - The Obamacare Fiasco How Many People Signed Up? - See more at: Obamacare Trainwreck - The Obamacare Fiasco How Many People Signed Up? | XRepublic

                  Grizz

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                  • I wish more would speak out but after we got slammed by the supreme court many people just lost their drive you know? I still think there was a payoff somewhere.

                    And do you know why the carriers havent fought back? Because you don't bite the hand that feeds you.....Bluecross here stands to gain a ton of claims processing business when this fails and we go single payer. And the government does want it to fail so we have to rely on them for healthcare.

                    You simply can't tell carriers they have to take all sick people and not raise rates without approval. You're setting them up to fail. Not to mention the mandate is a joke. It'd be one thing if the mandate actually penalized but it doesn't. And the young people don't care enough to get insurance to balance out the sick.....why would they with a $95 fine?

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                    • Originally posted by Goldensparrow View Post
                      I wish more would speak out but after we got slammed by the supreme court many people just lost their drive you know? I still think there was a payoff somewhere.

                      And do you know why the carriers havent fought back? Because you don't bite the hand that feeds you.....Bluecross here stands to gain a ton of claims processing business when this fails and we go single payer. And the government does want it to fail so we have to rely on them for healthcare.

                      You simply can't tell carriers they have to take all sick people and not raise rates without approval. You're setting them up to fail. Not to mention the mandate is a joke. It'd be one thing if the mandate actually penalized but it doesn't. And the young people don't care enough to get insurance to balance out the sick.....why would they with a $95 fine?

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                      Goldensparrow,
                      You are exactly right on ! Harry Reid admitted they (progressive Democrats of America) are going to put all the insurance companies out of business, then convert ACA to a single payer system.
                      PDA took over the old democratic party," Progressive Democrats of America was founded in 2004 to transform the Democratic Party and our country.....PDA played a key role in the stunning electoral victories of November 2006 and 2008. Our inside/outside strategy is guided by the belief that a lasting majority will require a revitalized Democratic Party built on firm progressive principles."

                      Of course just like O'Bummer, they are tight lipped about what they will transform America into. You have to read between the lines at PDA to realize that they are the Communist (Socialist) Party of America. Carefully read through their website to verify this: Progressive Democrats of America

                      If anyone owns health insurance stocks, the time to get out is before the Progressives put them out of business.

                      Here is the link about Harry Reid bankrupting the insurance companies:
                      "When then asked by panelist Steve Sebelius whether he meant ultimately the country would have to have a health care system that abandoned insurance as the means of accessing it, Reid said: “Yes, yes. Absolutely, yes.”""
                      Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system

                      There is no doubt the entire health care industry is out of control with overly expensive hospitals, doctors and many reasons for it. We can all agree that "something" needs to be done. Feeding the present system with infinite tax money is not the answer. The SOURCE of all of our health problems needs to be given a higher priority. We have a national vitamin & mineral deficiency epidemic contributing to health problems. We have small fortunes being spent on old geezers who are in critical care, who will die anyway. We have people starving for vital nutrients on burgers, pop & fries suffering obesity & related health problems. We have unlimited money flowing into the Military Industrial Complex. Everywhere we look there are fires.

                      16.000 new IRS agents to enforce O'Bummer Care and NO new doctors??????
                      Rep. Kevin Brady, a Texas Republican, warns that the IRS will hire up to 16,500 new enforcers in the coming months to go after citizens who do not pay the new Obamacare tax. The expansion is said to include criminal investigators who “make cases” in order to levy penalties on scofflaws.
                      http://www.infowars.com/thousands-of...rce-obamacare/

                      IMO, sorry, but the USA is clearly headed for collapse or even massive public dissent or worse. People are just not going to put up with this insanity.

                      Grizz
                      Last edited by Grizz; 10-11-2013, 02:42 PM.

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                      • Unintended Consequences

                        Thousands of doctors fired by United HealthCare
                        NEW HAVEN, Conn. (WTNH)-- In the midst of major changes in health care, UnitedHealthCare has sent thousands of pink slips to Connecticut doctors.

                        Termination letters went to physicians caring for Medicare patients. Those letters were sent out to doctors caring for 'Medicare Advantage' patients. It's a plan, marketed to Seniors to provide additional services through UnitedHealthCare.

                        A mix of primary care and specialty doctors are affected by it. And it comes at a questionable time.... More
                        WTNH - Thousands of doctors fired by United HealthCare | WTNH.com Connecticut

                        Grizz

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                        • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                          Probably a decent amount, still, that's just more reinforcement to what I said.

                          Btw, I liked your post on the last page. Very well written.
                          Thanks. To me it means something like ObamaCare is not sustainable. Maybe it's intend it to fail.
                          Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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                          • Who is Obama? Does anyone really know what motivates him?
                            This really good discussion from 2008. Focus mainly on democrat Pat Caddell's opinion

                            LiveLeak.com - David Horowitz / Pat Caddell
                            Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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                            • Originally posted by Scott F View Post
                              Who is Obama? Does anyone really know what motivates him?
                              This really good discussion from 2008. Focus mainly on democrat Pat Caddell's opinion

                              LiveLeak.com - David Horowitz / Pat Caddell
                              Scott,
                              You are my hero for posting that fantastic video. Your video is excellent. Who is Obama? And what went wrong in the Democratic Party?
                              Part 1
                              LiveLeak.com - David Horowitz / Pat Caddell
                              Part 2 of 6
                              David Horowitz, Shadow Party, Part 2 of 6 - YouTube
                              ???????? Scott, do you have the correct link for part 2?

                              Glenn Beck has done extensive research on this very subject, and your video explains much of Glenn's material. I can totally agree with your video based on my own research.

                              The Democratic Party was taken over by the communists of America, AKA the "SDS Radicals" from the 1960's) they call themselves "Progressives."

                              In their own words, "Progressive Democrats of America was founded in 2004 to transform the Democratic Party and our country."
                              Progressive Democrats of America

                              Your video explains who the PDA really is, where they came from, & most important who bankrolled them.
                              George Soros bankrolled the PDA since 2004 with his BILLIONS.

                              Read "Rules for Radicals," (Rules for Revolution) O'Bamas secret handbook & used by leaders of the PDA Party:
                              http://www.bestofbeck.com/wp/activis...s-for-radicals

                              Thanks to Scott, we can better see what we are up against, a political revolution,
                              Grizz
                              Last edited by Grizz; 10-12-2013, 02:21 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by Grizz View Post
                                Kestre,

                                There is so much terribly wrong in this country that it is hard to pick what is worst...

                                He should focus on reducing the USA Debt by working with the politicians who want to reduce spending.
                                Yeah, it would be nice if the US had thought about all that 20 years ago.

                                At this point the US government is bankrupt (has been for a long time). As an analyst I've worked on the numbers for 5 years and you simply can't work your way out of a *negative* $80T NPV hole. Can't be done. So it eventually goes to default or hyperinflation (which aren't really that different).

                                End result is something really really bad, way beyond the 2008 crash, probably beyond the great depression, maybe not as bad as the dark ages, maybe worse. We don't know. But so bad that's it's impossible to model or estimate.

                                I got out years ago, got permanent residency elsewhere, moved all assets out of the states, etc.

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