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  • Originally posted by canio6 View Post
    The persons in question were immigrants. Israel did not have to let them in (though I gather they let in Jews from pretty much everywhere). Requiring temporary birthcontrol seems reasonable. It was obviously better then the situation they were in or the women would have stayed in Ethiopia. Also, while the article says that Ethiopian immigrants have higher poverty rates than other groups it does not say whether they are better off than other Ethiopians. I find that rather telling. New immigrants may experience more poverty compared to others but if they have raised their standard of living it is a net win.

    As for Obamacare (to try to keep things on topic) the rhetoric is getting infuriating. "1/2 of 1/3 of the government can't decide blah blah" Really? I am pretty sure if 5 Supreme Court Justices decide something it sticks. That is basically 1/2 of 1/3 of the government. Hell, if one man decides to veto a bill passed by a majority in both houses and that SCOTUS would have no issues with that is okay too because that is how our government works. F*ck these people.
    Thank you for this. If I were to read the word "Zionist" on here again, I was done.

    What has happened is that the Republicans have decided to attack Obamacare via the appropriations portion. This is pretty much unheard of. If a side does not like a bill, they vote to either repeal it or replace it with another bill. You do not legislatively attack a bill that has already been passed by both houses and signed into law by blocking the money that it is legally entitled.

    If the Republicans don't like it, try actually winning an election some day. Perhaps do not pick a trust fund baby with the charisma of a jellyfish and a spine like one too to run for President. When you lose 3 out of the last 4 elections pretty handily (2006, 2008, 2012), you don't get to make laws anymore. It's pathetic. They have been taken over by anti-intellectual charlatans, to run against fake-intellectual idealists. Crazies or morons. Those are the choices.

    I root for the shutdown to continue, at this point. I hope we default and credit markets freeze up and our credit rating as a country gets buried under a pile of idiocy. This is all a game to them. We need to rid Washington of this cancer; belligerent, myopic corporate lemmings (R) vs. the sunshine and fascism party (D). The people are completely irrelevant.

    "When fascism comes to America, it will not be in brown and black shirts. It will not be with jackboots. It will be Nike sneakers and smiley shirts. Smiley-smiley." -- George Carlin.
    "The soul that does not attempt flight; does not notice its chains."

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    • Originally posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
      What has happened is that the Republicans have decided to attack Obamacare via the appropriations portion. This is pretty much unheard of. If a side does not like a bill, they vote to either repeal it or replace it with another bill. You do not legislatively attack a bill that has already been passed by both houses and signed into law by blocking the money that it is legally entitled.

      If the Republicans don't like it, try actually winning an election some day. Perhaps do not pick a trust fund baby with the charisma of a jellyfish and a spine like one too to run for President. When you lose 3 out of the last 4 elections pretty handily (2006, 2008, 2012), you don't get to make laws anymore. It's pathetic. They have been taken over by anti-intellectual charlatans, to run against fake-intellectual idealists. Crazies or morons. Those are the choices..
      While I do not disagree with your take on the Republicans, it would be nice if the head of the executive branch would not pick and choose what parts of laws he will enforce at what times. The law passed. The president just decided to give businesses another year (he chose selective enforcement). Then he wants to get mad that others are trying to hold up the law because 'it is the law' Um...pot...kettle...

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      • Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
        I totally agree that the middle class gets royally screwed at every turn. I've been thinking lately about the old "Alice Doesn't Day." It would be great if somehow, every person with a job called in sick on the same day. Just one day. They want to shut down the govt while they fight? It would be great to shut down the country for a day. Necessary services for the ill could continue so no one dies from it. Just one day.

        I can dream.
        That would be great! I would do it for sure.
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        • "Corporate subsidies often create jobs or at least keep companies in the US to a degree."

          Sorry, but that is wildly incorrect.

          Most of the "subsidies" are not direct payments, they are tax write-offs. The end result is that many of the large multi-nationals do not pay any taxes at all, and some get a REFUND (I.E. Our tax money directly transferred to a private business)

          Like this list: http://www.alternet.org/corporate-ac...d-paying-taxes

          This is all because most every level of government, especially at state and federal levels, no longer serves the purpose of what they were founded on: giving citizens redress of grievances.....instead they are battlegrounds for large corporations and interest groups to duke it out via lobbying or PAC-driven political coercion. One in four corporations no longer pay ANY taxes....and they are able to do this by directly writing law that allows them to do so.

          Such as:
          - The Double Irish: A favorite technique of all large multi's, in which they transfer funds to offshore accounts with specific timing (laws are written such that the money must be held for a certain time period before being taxed), to allow them to pay nothing. The name is derived from the mafia, by the way. Now household name companies do it in open view. This is how lost we truly are.
          - The Stock-Options Loophole: Facebook, for example, chooses to pay many of its employees in stock options rather than direct salary. For the employee it is exactly the same. Management sells a portion of stock directly into cash, then puts it in the paycheck. The law is written such that this is tax deductible. (This is not an accident. The big banks invented this, wrote it into law)

          One can list at least a dozen more....and most these loopholes are there because they were WRITTEN there by the influence their money bought. IBM, Apple, GE, all of them have terrible records of keeping jobs in the US. They want our money and our political power to avoid giving us anything back for that privilege. They have succeeded big time on both counts.

          I am against all forms of tax money being totally squandered. Abused welfare is the same, whether it is corporate welfare or a struggling mom with 7 kids and no income....I don't know why these are mutually exclusive. So if I am against one, I have to be ok with the other? Sounds useful.
          "The soul that does not attempt flight; does not notice its chains."

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          • Lazarus,
            I guess I misunderstood your sentence "If I am unemployed and go on welfare." Usually, unemployed people go on unemployment (first or only) and some people perceive unemployment as welfare. There are also other unclear and confusing places in your original comment.
            Last edited by anna5; 10-09-2013, 08:15 AM.

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            • Usually, unemployed people go on unemployment (first or only) and some people perceive unemployment as welfare.
              Unemployment is also a unique pool of money that employers pay into, and thus a form of employment tax. I imagine they factor it in when setting wages. So if you get unemployment, your neighbor isn't paying for it, your employer did. Unemployment is more like receiving social security benefits. That said, people abuse that system as well. Case in point, the farm help at my old barn. He took the job, bitched and moaned every day about it, complained, was slow, so they let him go and he got back on unemployment. His wife told me straight up that is how they lived. Short term jobs, then unemployment. She received disability as she was beyond morbidly obese. Always with her Bojangles and Mountain Dew. I was always nice to them as I was scared shitless my horse would hurt one of them and they would sue.

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              • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                If you can support the kids, with no help, by all means, make your uterus into a clown car..
                Hah, I like that

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                • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                  Unemployment is also a unique pool of money that employers pay into, and thus a form of employment tax.
                  Yes and no. As I understand it employers do pay in and it covers X weeks. This is your entitlement or what you earned given that it was part of your compensation (as you said the employer factors this in to your pay). After a certain point the money paid in is gone. This is especially the case when Congress extended unemployment benefits to their current levels. As such, once week X is passed it is now welfare. It is no longer a compensation you earned.

                  I'm not saying it is right or wrong but I do think it is an important distinction.

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                  • IMO, this is O'Bama's plan and why he refuses to negotiate on the budget:
                    He knows that he can order Marshal Law and become Dictator.

                    Today a former US Treasury Official warned King World News that the President of the United States will declare a “National Catastrophe,” and seize total power, much like a Caesar would, if it is deemed necessary to avoid a disastrous US default and subsequent collapse. He also spoke about other drastic emergency measures which would also be implemented in order to avoid a US default. Below is what Dr. Paul Craig Roberts had to say.

                    Eric King: “Dr. Roberts, is there any chance of the US defaulting here?”

                    Dr. Roberts: “No. If the United States were to default, it would be the end of the US as a superpower. No one in Washington wants to lose that kind of power, so I fully expect that at the last minute a deal will be reached. Now, in the event that both sides play a game of ‘chicken’ to the very end, and we are down to the last hours, and fears of a default escalate dramatically, I think one of two things will happen....
                    “The first would be the Federal Reserve, on its own initiative, would simply lend the US Treasury whatever money it would need. You have to remember that the Federal Reserve lent to US and European banks more than $16 trillion in order to enable them to avoid default, or outright failure.

                    Remember, the banks were considered too-big-to-fail. So it was not just the TARP Bailout, which was a very small part, it was the lending by the Federal Reserve, which exceeded $16 trillion, that kept the system afloat. So if the banks are ‘too-big-to-fail,’ clearly the US government is too-big-to-fail. Like I said, the Fed would simply lend the Treasury the money.

                    The second possibility would be that President Obama, because of laws that are already on the books, would have the power to declare a ‘national catastrophe’ and simply assume the leadership of the government. This gets Congress and the courts out of the picture. At that point there are no limits on the power of the President if he calls for a ‘national catastrophe.’

                    This would mean that the President, on his own authority, could raise the debt ceiling. So, either of those two events would happen if it looked like no deal was forthcoming from the Congress. It could be that President Obama, or others in the Executive Branch, are planning to use this crisis to invoke that Executive Order.”

                    Eric King: “This further concentration of power in the US that you just described is extremely dangerous.”

                    Dr. Roberts: “Of course. It means that essentially the President would become a ‘Caesar.’ That would also mean that the Congress had become like the Roman Senate, which lost its power and simply became a collection of notable figureheads. Generally when democratically regimes fail you end up with a Caesar, and a shutdown is of course the epitome of a democratic failure. So this would give President Obama all of the justification for exercising the Executive Order so that the President can rule independently of Congress and the courts.”
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                    • After a certain point the money paid in is gone. This is especially the case when Congress extended unemployment benefits to their current levels. As such, once week X is passed it is now welfare. It is no longer a compensation you earned.
                      Per our state, the Federal benefits were a loan which needs to be repaid. In NC, they raised unemployment taxes and cut benefits to get that paid back. No one in our state gets the federal money anymore. So they are paying back that money out of the same pool of money.

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                      • More on Obama's Plans & reasons to refuse negotiating over the budget:

                        Specifically, this bulletin says, Obama will invoke 50 USC 212 that states: “ the President shall have declared by proclamation that the laws of the United States are opposed, and the execution thereof obstructed, by combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings”
                        The specific laws being opposed by these “combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings,” that Obama will outline in his reasoning’s for declaring a state of emergency, this bulletin continues, are the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) and Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), otherwise known as Obamacare.
                        The NDAA is opposed by many US States, this bulletin says, with California joining Alaska and Virginia this past week in passing a law making it illegal to be enforced in their territory, and with many other States, also, preparing to do the same.
                        The specific portions of the NDAA law being opposed by these US States allows for the indefinite detention without charges or trial of all American citizens and allows for their assassination should Obama order it.
                        The PPACA (Obamacare) law is, likewise, opposed by over half of the US States and has led to an American “shutdown” this past week that has closed 15% of their government, but has left fully 85% of it still open.
                        To the specific “combinations too powerful” Obama will cite in his declaration of National Emergency as being needed to be defeated by extraordinary measures, the MoFA says, is a faction of the US House of Representatives popularly known as the Republican Tea Party whom the President and his allies have likened to “hostage takers” and “political terrorists.”
                        Obama’s greatest fear, and reason(s) for declaring a National State of Emergency, this bulletin continues, was outlined yesterday by his US Treasury Department who released a report yesterday warning of potentially “catastrophic” damage should Congress fail to raise the debt ceiling and prevent the government from defaulting on its debt.
                        As the current US government shutdown crisis and debt ceiling fight have now merged, the MoFA warns in this bulletin, Obama further warned yesterday that an impasse on the debt ceiling beyond 17 October, when the US government will be essentially out of cash to pay its bills, could start a downward economic plunge worse than the recession of five years ago – with credit markets seizing up, the dollar’s value plummeting and US interest rates soaring and even coming close to the brink of such an unprecedented default that could roil both domestic and foreign financial markets.
                        Preparing to oppose Obama, should he, in fact, declare a National State of Emergency, the GRU grimly warns, is the US military who themselves are preparing to invoke 50 USC 842 which allows them to protect America from “The Communist Party of the United States, or any successors of such party regardless of the assumed name, whose object or purpose is to overthrow the Government of the United States, or the government of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof…”
                        Not known to many Americans is that the Progressive movement Obama belongs to,
                        [The Progressive Democrats of America - http://www.pdamerica.org/ ]
                        and whose media acolyte “presstitutes” swept into office, have long been associated with the Communist Party.
                        And, as the World Net Daily News Service reported this past August, John C. Drew, Ph.D., the award-winning political scientist, met Obama in 1980 and wrote in 2011: “[Obama] believed that the economic stresses of the Carter years meant revolution was still imminent. The election of Reagan was simply a minor set-back in terms of the coming revolution. … Obama was blindly sticking to the simple Marxist theory … ‘there’s going to be a revolution.’ Obama said, ‘we need to be organized and grow the movement.’ In Obama’s view, our role must be to educate others so that we might usher in more quickly this inevitable revolution.”
                        With Obama’s “revolution” now at hand, the GRU warns in this bulletin, it is critical to note that that United States, unlike other nations, have all of their elected officials and military personal swear allegiance to the US Constitution, and not to their government or its leaders.

                        The most recent example of this conflict between Obama and the US military, the GRU further states, was in Egypt when the Obama regime supported Muslim Brotherhood was overthrown by the Pentagon backed Egyptian military, and who, like the United States, makes its political and military leaders swear allegiance to their constitution, not to any of its leaders.
                        As many in America now know that these present times are not the normal activities of a government seeking peace and prosperity, and as dozens of undisclosed Obama Presidential directives that define US national security policy and task government agencies are still unknown either to the public or, as a rule, to the US Congress, this bulletin warns in its summation that with each passing day American can be more likened to a communist dictatorship than a functioning democracy.
                        So bad, in fact, has the United States become that one of its legendary reporters, Pulitzer Prize winner Seymour Hersh wrote this past week that the Obama administration lies systematically yet none of the leviathans of American media, the TV networks or big print titles, challenge him.
                        Even worse, and in a further Sovietization of American Life by the Obama regime, the US this past week refused to grant entry visas to internationally renowned authors Ilija Trojanov and Ernst Titovets who were invited to speak at conferences, and which Justin Raimondo of the highly respected Antiwar.com blog calls “part of a disturbing pattern of repression that all points to one ineluctable conclusion: the United States is the Soviet Union of the new millennium – an ideological state with global ambitions that holds itself up as the epitome of “freedom” and yet is the single most powerful enemy of liberty worldwide.”
                        Pentagon Warns To Expect

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                        Last edited by Grizz; 10-09-2013, 09:52 AM.

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                        • Well, this thread's gotten long and crazy...

                          M.

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                          • Originally posted by MEversbergII View Post
                            Well, this thread's gotten long and crazy...

                            M.
                            But certainly entertaining...if primal makes me a government conspiracy theorist I think I'd rather go back to eating grains and being fat and ignorant.

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                            • Originally posted by tbingham View Post
                              But certainly entertaining...if primal makes me a government conspiracy theorist I think I'd rather go back to eating grains and being fat and ignorant.
                              Ha. Very witty. And obviously this isn't the only craziness here and some "crazinesses" are more irritating than entertaining.
                              Last edited by anna5; 10-09-2013, 12:04 PM.

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                              • Yikes. Obama is the Antichrist, the Federal Reserve is the root of all our problems, Ayn Rand is the smartest person who was ever the world's ugliest woman etc etc. I am sure if I looked more I could find some Holocaust deniers.

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