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    I discovered the primal way about 18 months ago. Having met success on a low carb diet in the past, being allergic to soy (eggs and tree nuts), I knew I could do this. And I do. Not 60%, not 80%, but 95% - 99% (I eat cheese on occasion, as well as have a nightly glass of red).

    But I am not seeing the results. Worse, my doctor isn't seeing *any* results and today she suggested I join Weight Watchers. I didn't have any health issues prior to primal that I was aware of. About 6 months in, I had lost no weight, but was shrinking (doctor: "unless the scale moves, it's not real weight loss"). I agreed to have my cholesterol and blood sugar checked. Both were in the high end of normal and they have stayed there while my blood pressure keeps rising and my body keeps shrinking, but the scale doesn't really change.

    My doctor is only numbers driven and really, seeing them does depress me. My husband and best friend continue their "healthy whole grains" diet and enjoy good health while I eat more protein, fats and vegetables than they do and watch my health numbers rise. I paid out-of-pocket and saw a primal doctor in my area, but all she wanted to do was put me on estrogen and sell me her supplements, so I didn't go back. And my insurance requires my PCP to authorize specialist visits so I had to go back today for a referral and a mental beating.

    On the plus side - I have no pre-meal jitters, no blood sugar crashes. And I have been able to downsize my entire wardrobe by one to two sizes.

    On the negative - my cholesterol is high, my blood pressure is high, my blood sugar is still at the high end of normal and in 18 months, I've lost maybe 20 pounds, which my doctor says is mostly water-weight and that a 10lb or so weight loss is nothing.

    I'm 50, not a gym rat and have no desire to join a gym, especially not crossfit. I have an exercise bike and ride twice a day for 30 - 60 minutes, but apparetnly, even that isn't enough to make the numbers better. Not sure what else to do.

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    Are you eating a lot of nuts? Cut it.
    Are you eating too many calories? Cut some.
    Are you eating too little protein and too much fat, especially: avocado, olive oil, bacon, nuts? Cut those things and up red meat.
    I also would suggest doing more than just bike rides. Strength training would help you a long ways.
    It is hard to know what is wrong when you didn't give a typical day of food and your stats, but those given above seem to be the main trip ups.

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    • #3
      As I said, I am allergic to tree nuts so, no. No nuts. At all. No almond meal anything.

      I don't count calories. Never cared for avocado, but will choke it down on occasion, and I use homemade ghee, butter or home-rendered lard. I'm also allergic to eggs so I avoid poultry. Lots of red meat and pork going on.

      A typical day for me is a cup of coffee with cream, oven roasted cauliflower with ghee, leftover pulled pork or meatballs. Ride bike 30 minutes. Lunch...today was eggplant 'noodles' with cherry tomatoes and some cream mixed into a bowl of green. Dinner will be a meatza of home-ground chuck, topped with tomato slices, pepperoni, ghee-sauted onions and mushrooms and a sprinkle of parmesan. Again, another 30 minutes on the bike.

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      • #4
        Maybe try measuring the foods. Like are you using 100 calories worth of ghee or 200? Is your coffee coffee with a bit or cream or cream with a bit of coffee? Fat adds up quick as do fatty meats. At least get a baseline. I know people claim fats are hard to overeat, but for some people they add up. And some women don't need a lot of calories and it does make a difference.

        For reference I eat 1800-2200 a day to maintain doing crossfit 5 days a week.

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        • #5
          Agreed with above. Measure fats.

          Also that seems like a lot of dairy to me. I gain with that much high-fat dairy... Maybe try whole30?


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          • #6
            For one, your doctor is a dweeb. Going down a size or two is some decent body recomposition and 20lbs lost is nothing to balk at.

            Whay are your daily calories like? You may be eating to little. As well, the primal doctor may have been onto something with the estrogen... A hormonal imbalance may be an issue as well.

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            • #7
              Have you had your thyroid levels tested?

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              • #8
                Find yourself an other doctor!!! If she is only fixed on number and not on how you feel the doc is doing something wrong.
                You know your body the best and if you feel good than there is a big fat change that you are doing something good.

                You say you keep shrinking? that's a sign that body fat is leaving and muscle is gaining. Muscles are heavier than fat so it shouldn't be a surprise that the scale isn't tipping.

                Cut back on the cycling! many friends of mine cycle a lot at a higher resistance and they gain weight on their upper legs. You are spending way too much time cycling. cut it back to maybe 1 time a day and if you still want to do something go for a walk. The many hours on the bike is stressing your body which makes it store more fat.

                Get yourself weighed on a scale that measures weight, bodyfat and water. Know your numbers and do it a month later.
                A little secrect, you'll loose water more quickly than fat. if you lost most of those 20lbs in a week or two than yeah it was water. If it took you longer than that it was also fat.

                Bottom line is, get to know your number, track your intake for a while and see if there are calories you didn't even know off, stop stressing about it and do what feels right for you. Take control and not let your doctor tell you what to do. it's your body.
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                • #9
                  First I think you should cut the red wine out, once in the blue moon is fine but every night is not good for you, it affects your leptin, turning fat burning off and it affects the liver directly, as well as effecting your sleep at night.

                  I think you should cut out the cream and drink your coffee black, and even maybe try to wean yourself off coffee as it does effect your high blood pressure.

                  Go for a walk everyday, as this does help with lowering your BP and increases your mood.

                  Cycling is great but try to limit yourself to 15-20kph with an easyish resistance setting... If you are going harder and faster than this twice a day then this is your problem, as you are increasing your cortisol and inflammation. Once a week really push yourself to max speed for 8-10 seconds then rest for 1 minute then repeat, do this 3-4 times, then the following weeks you can increase to 5-6 times..

                  And try to limit your cheese intake, I typically will not eat cheese intake for a week or two, then for one week enjoy a slice or two every day, then repeat.

                  Good luck!

                  Oh and bacon has a lot of salt in so maybe limit that also...

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                  • #10
                    Do you really have an issue? You've lost weight and inches. How much more do you want to lose?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lauri View Post
                      On the plus side - I have no pre-meal jitters, no blood sugar crashes. And I have been able to downsize my entire wardrobe by one to two sizes.
                      These results are not to be sneered at, well done Lauri. I really think you should give yourself a pat on the back for results so far.

                      Now it's probably time to change things up a bit, both diet and exercise wise because the body seems to find an equilibrium and stay there unless we shake it up a bit.

                      With exercise it would be good to have more variety - a weights session, a sprint session and fewer cardio sessions per week with more moving around in general. Since you don't actually want to join a gym you could acquire a bar and some weights or just get started with some bodyweight exercises like pressups and squats. The sprinting you could do on the exercycle as someone already suggested, then either walking, hiking or a fun game of whatever sport may interest you (tennis? badminton? golf?).

                      With the food, I suspect the alcohol is sabotaging your fat-burning. Also, if you do indeed have quite a bit of fat still to lose then there really is no need to add cream to everything, a little is enough to start the process. Maybe more veges instead.

                      It's a shame you're allergic to eggs, I do not see much protein at lunch and in my experience that is important to include for the sake of feeling satisfied. Maybe a soup with meat broth would fill the bill here.

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                      • #12
                        For starters it's ridiculous to dismiss 20lbs as "nothing". It's more important to know what your body composition is than what you WEIGH.

                        I had a DEXA scan the other day. Going in, I considered myself "slightly overweight" (because by BMI I am), but once I'd had my body fat % determined, I was told I was in the healthy range (upper end, but still healthy). Why? Because my lean body mass was high (actually off the graph he showed me).

                        Now, I'm still attempting to lose more body fat, cause healthy or not I don't like it . BUT this is what your doctor hasn't taken into consideration at all!! If your body fat has decreased by 5% but you've gained muscle, that's definitely something!!!

                        That all being said, it's possible you are still carrying too much weight (I guess your doctor wouldn't be concerned if you weren't) which means you're probably eating too many calories. Try plugging everything you eat for a day into an online calculator like MyFitnessPal, and realise that in order to lose weight you probably need to be eating less than 1600 calories a day (that's a guess, as I have no idea how tall you are or what you currently weight). It may be that you need to eat even less than that. I didn't start losing fat until I recognised that I was just eating TOO MUCH. Didn't matter if it was the "right" food or "wrong" food... my weight stalled until I started keeping track and recognising that what I saw as a "normal" amount of food was just too much for a petite female.

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                        • #13
                          OP, you lost 20 pounds, went down 2 dress sizes and feel and function much better since you made the switch to PB? The problem is a clinically blind, idiot doctor, not your lifestyle it would seem.

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                          • #14
                            In some people, coffee raises cholesterol. (I'm one of them). It's something to do with how the oils from the coffee bean react with your body. Espresso is worst, because it's not filtered. Filtered coffee is better (from this perspective, not necessarily taste) because it absorbs some of the coffee bean oil. Consider cutting coffee for a period of time and having your cholesterol re-tested.

                            Two years ago my cholesterol was high enough that my doctor was looking at putting me on meds. Instead, I cut coffee, added in exercise (I did P90X) and I was spiking my tea with cayenne and cinnamon. I dropped 20 lbs, my total cholesterol dropped 81 points (placing me firmly in the good cholesterol category) while lowering my LDL and raising my HDL. Since I did all those things at the same time, I can't point to which had the greater influence.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                              Maybe try measuring the foods. Like are you using 100 calories worth of ghee or 200? Is your coffee coffee with a bit or cream or cream with a bit of coffee? Fat adds up quick as do fatty meats. At least get a baseline. I know people claim fats are hard to overeat, but for some people they add up.
                              This is what I suggest, too. My body recomp has been significant, but the scale said otherwise. (Haven't gone back for bloodwork yet, but given how much better I feel, I assume the best). I finally started tracking my calorie intake, and it turned out I'd been underestimating by a significant margin--and HWC was the biggest culprit.

                              I've occasionally seen people claim that if you're eating lots of fat you needn't count calories, but in my own case (46, F) I have not found this to be true. I can easily overeat both protein and fat, despite also doing IF, but if I keep an eye on my caloric intake everything's cool.

                              And here's another thought: you might do better with more carbs and less fat. I do great on lots of red meat and fat, can handle some dairy--and cannot do carbs unless I'm really exercising hard. But my two female friends who eat primal/paleo both do better with more carbs, less fat, more fish and eggs, less red meat. One does no dairy, the other limits it. We are all three happy and doing well, but we've each had to find our own "sweet spot" by tweaking macros, adding or avoiding certain foods, and most of all trusting our own judgment and experiences.

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