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  • #31
    Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
    See that's what I'm saying- "It's alive" is not a cultural thing- all of the systems of my body and all of my emotional development is dedicated to judging whether or not something is mobile, protecting its own interests, and capable of interacting with me.
    But it's something the feral child needs to be taught?
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    Perfection is entirely individual. Any philosophy or pursuit that encourages individuality has merit in that it frees people. Any that encourages shackles only has merit in that it shows you how wrong and desperate the human mind can get in its pursuit of truth.

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    I get blunter and more narcissistic by the day.
    I'd apologize, but...

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
      correct- animals are also raised around other animals, and have a mother whose face is right up in their grill as they are developing eye-sight. They are nurtured as their genetics demand and thus realize whatever empathy or emotional attachments they are capable of. Nothing at all like a wild-raised human child.

      I can't believe you are going to argue that feeling feelings when looking at faces is some kind of weird evidence of malformity. The opposite is true.
      Attaching human meaning to non-human animals is a human thing. No other hunter behaves that way. Even non-Westernized humans don't take it as far as we do.
      We're weak, overly emotional and detached from the natural order. Compare us to tribespeople. They don't get emotional about an animal that was for food. Sometimes they attach meaning to specific animals, like Westerners do to pets, but food animals are food.
      --
      Perfection is entirely individual. Any philosophy or pursuit that encourages individuality has merit in that it frees people. Any that encourages shackles only has merit in that it shows you how wrong and desperate the human mind can get in its pursuit of truth.

      --
      I get blunter and more narcissistic by the day.
      I'd apologize, but...

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      • #33
        We had a TV programme in France called "the musketeers'cooking". The woman sometimes took whole animals (well, game or rabbits, not a cow !) and did all the preparation (evisceration...) on TV ! The thread reminded me of her, I can imagine her cooking a whole head on TV while saying "yummy !"

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        • #34
          Confession time: we had home-made pizza (using white flour in the base) last night. It was good. Possibly not primal.

          OTOH, my wife has the same problem looking at pigs head that you do UF. So when I roast/broil it, I have to carve it up into tiny chunks before serving it so she can stomach it on the table. The kids still delight in giving her the snout though
          Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

          Griff's cholesterol primer
          5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
          Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
          TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
          bloodorchid is always right

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Myrtille View Post
            We had a TV programme in France called "the musketeers'cooking". The woman sometimes took whole animals (well, game or rabbits, not a cow !) and did all the preparation (evisceration...) on TV ! The thread reminded me of her, I can imagine her cooking a whole head on TV while saying "yummy !"
            Ohalala, ouais, je m'rappelle ... c'était avec comment déjà ... Maïté ?! ah oui, cétait parfois gore ...

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Kochin View Post
              Attaching human meaning to non-human animals is a human thing. No other hunter behaves that way. Even non-Westernized humans don't take it as far as we do.
              We're weak, overly emotional and detached from the natural order. Compare us to tribespeople. They don't get emotional about an animal that was for food. Sometimes they attach meaning to specific animals, like Westerners do to pets, but food animals are food.
              that is not historically accurate
              "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

              Jack london, "Before Adam"

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              • #37
                neither is tribal women laughing at squeamish kids
                beautiful
                yeah you are

                Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                lol

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                • #38
                  what?! The cruelty of women's laughter is a genetic trigger
                  "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                  Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                  • #39
                    i think you're projecting
                    beautiful
                    yeah you are

                    Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                    lol

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                    • #40
                      Modern humans read facial expressions which our ancestors did not do. I wouldn't be able to cook the face or head of another animal either. I accidentally squished a lizard with a door once and spent the rest of the day in tears, and I'm a six foot 249 lb former infantryman. You're fine. If your life depended on it (which in our modern society it doesn't, thankfully) you wouldn't have any problems eating a hogs face.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by CLLark View Post
                        Modern humans read facial expressions which our ancestors did not do. I wouldn't be able to cook the face or head of another animal either. I accidentally squished a lizard with a door once and spent the rest of the day in tears, and I'm a six foot 249 lb former infantryman. You're fine. If your life depended on it (which in our modern society it doesn't, thankfully) you wouldn't have any problems eating a hogs face.
                        Pretty sure that reading facial expressions is common to apes and dogs as well. How far back do you think we need to go before our ancestors didn't read facial expressions?
                        Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                        Griff's cholesterol primer
                        5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                        Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                        TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                        bloodorchid is always right

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
                          i think you're projecting
                          There is a scientifcally predictable and observable physiological reaction to being laughed at
                          "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                          Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                          • #43
                            I think that people are misunderstanding my argument anyway- I am not saying that because something has a face, normal creatures feel too bad to do it harm. I'm just saying that seeing faces, in normal human life, triggers emotional responses to things like uh...emotions. Which are communicated by faces.
                            "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                            Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                            • #44
                              May I present to you all, the appetizer in tonight's snout to tail meal:

                              "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                              B*tch-lite

                              Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                                definitely at least as children; theeeen they were probably shamed bitterly by the laughter of women, and beaten ignomoniously like the animals, and didn't express it ever again
                                I'll share my experience;

                                By 10 years old, I had probably witnessed some where between 5-10 pig slaughters, 2-4 steer (bovine) slaughters, countless chicken slaughters and others.

                                By 10 I had seen my dad shoot the animal dead, seen him stick a knife in the jugular artery (to bleed the animal), seen the animal writhing with its last death throws. Seen it strung up and gutted. Seen it carved up.
                                At 10 I was already participating in the chicken slaughters. Holding the head while the axe chopped its neck. Plucking it. Degutting (I knew quite well all of its internal organs).

                                I never cried once for these animals, all tho I would say that I was a bit stunned at times watching an animal die.

                                I did cry tho, when our dog, house cow, and house pig died. I had grown attached to these animals. I think there was a certain dis attachment to the ones I knew where destined for the dinner table. Although I am NEVER cruel to animals in my whole life. All the ones that where destined for the table we/I had respect/love for, even at ten I understood the unintentional sacrifice this animal was going to make to nourish me and my family and the animal was held in high regard.

                                Sorry if I have grossed any body out.


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