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  • #46
    Originally posted by OkeePhoenix View Post
    I'm going to get on my soapbox here...just a little bit. Do you believe that people are spiritual beings? That they have a life and consciousness beyond the physical body? If you do, stop and think... The chemicals in your brain can not CAUSE your mood... They are generated by your mood.
    Hear, hear. We live in a computer age and that's influenced how we think about the human condition -- you're brain's an organic computer, we're programmed by selfish genes, it's all chemistry,etc...

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    • #47
      Originally posted by jammies View Post
      Sorry - but you are just wrong. I get really sick of people thinking that clinical depression is a form of sadness or dissatisfaction with life. Biochemical depression and anxiety are soul-crushing and don't give a rats behind if your life is perfect or hell.
      The problem is that we have a false choice. Our culture still stigmatizes depression, anxiety and such. People suffering from such are told to "get over it" or "stop thinking so much" or are called lazy or self-pitying.

      So doctors come along and say "see here, it's a chemical thing, they can't help it". And that provides the suffering person some justification for their state.

      The problem is that neither of these is correct. Neurotic people are a product of their environment, their family, their society. They're not choosing to be depressed or anxious. Chemical/clinical explanations are soothing because that means we don't have to look inside or at our family or at society. And of course they're profitable.

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      • #48
        My diet is okay. I eat a lot of meat and veggies. I eat fruit sometimes. And about once a week I'll have a bad item. Tacos, pizza, ice cream... something like that. I eat cheese, no milk, Greek yogurt (plain with strawberry purée), eggs. I buy lunch out most days during the week. I work in a lab and we walk to the neighboring hospital to eat lunch. Sometimes I will be weak and get something bad, but I usually have a chicken salad, sometimes white rice (which I'm not opposed to eating weekly anyway). I have coffee for breakfast with cream and Splenda. I get it at McDonalds. I want to switch to making decaf (to lessen the anxiety) at home with coconut oil. And maybe some kind of sweetener. For dinner I have meat and vegetables. Usually a fattier selection, chicken thighs with skin, ribeye, 80/20 ground beef, salmon (not so much lately... I need to get back to it) I tried to eat sardines... I just can't do it. The veggies are pretty boring. Sliced cucumbers, brocolli, sautéed kale or spinach, zucchini. I don't drink pop, I mostly just drink plain iced tea and water. I drink wine, red and white, and beer sometimes. I almost never drink liquor, maybe the occasional margarita. In addition to the Zoloft and Wellbutrin I take Allegra and suddaphed (I have terrible allergies). That's pretty much the extent of my diet. Goal: stop using artificial sweetener. My gut health is probably shot. I have taken a lot of antibiotics! I used to get sick a lot when I was a child, and now I get multiple sinus infections. I try to fight them withouth the antibiotics, but they just come back. I probably should see an ent. I use a netti pot, which helps, but I'm guessing there is something structurally wrong with my nose. I don't get any other kinds of infections, my immune system is pretty good according to my bloodwork. I don't know, now I just getting more overwhelmed thinking about everything, lol. I do notice that at work the anxiety gets worse throughout the day peaking around 3:00-3:30 and slowly tapering off and I'm usually okay by the time I get home. This is not including the acute panicking during the day. Anyway that's about it... for those who asked. Thanks for asking, btw... "talking" about it helps and I don't have too many people to talk to right now. And ZERO that can be objective.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Rojo View Post
          The problem is that we have a false choice. Our culture still stigmatizes depression, anxiety and such. People suffering from such are told to "get over it" or "stop thinking so much" or are called lazy or self-pitying.

          So doctors come along and say "see here, it's a chemical thing, they can't help it". And that provides the suffering person some justification for their state.


          The problem is that neither of these is correct. Neurotic people are a product of their environment, their family, their society. They're not choosing to be depressed or anxious. Chemical/clinical explanations are soothing because that means we don't have to look inside or at our family or at society. And of course they're profitable.
          I agree completely. And I am neurotic, even on a good day. I've always been a worrier, someone that is easy to stress. I am also someone that will never give up though. I definitely don't want to be on these meds and I know there is a better way. I am not sure they are even working, I was so anxious at work today that I practically bit a hole in the side of my cheek. I'm going to give it more time though. As far as finding a better way... I am trying. My life is chaos right now partly for unrelated reasons beyond my control. I've just got to ride this next bit out somehow :/

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          • #50
            Your life, obviously has been filled with trauma, both physical and emotional. Your need for support certainly does not indicate weakness, in fact your recognition of your need and your search for help is actually a sign of strength. Remember, however, that your greatest source of strength will always be within... We all falter and fall short of what we could do if we were the "perfect" human, but the strength of the human spirit will always be the greatest source of healing power. Take help where needed, but the help provided by drugs and even our loved ones is, at best, temporary. Only your own spirit can provide permanent healing. Be strong, be faithful, be compassionate, these things will bring healing into your life. Don't give up on your meditation, it's the key to understanding your mind and your spirit. Read "Make Your Mind an Ocean" by Llama Yeshe.... Readily available. Read "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle.... Change the way you think..... And you will change EVERYTHING.

            From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
            A light from the shadows shall spring....

            Florida, USA.

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            • #51
              Try a primal version of the GAPS diet, your gut bacteria are more important than you know. The mood cure can help while you are on that path. It will take time but it will happen. I was emo most of my life. GAPS was really the only thing that's worked long term for me.
              Notebook of a Nutrition Nerd

              ‘THE FOOD YOU EAT CAN BE THE SAFEST AND MOST POWERFUL FORM OF MEDICINE OR THE SLOWEST RELEASING POISON' - Dr Ann Wigmore.

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              • #52
                I'd recommend EMDR, b-vitamin complex. And if you have sinus and allergy issues, ditch the wine and beer--yeast allergy, maybe? Also, alcohol depresses the central nervous system, but it can also cause anxiety as a rebound effect. Plus, its interaction w/other meds can be unpredictable. No coffee, no alcohol--but maybe no anxiety. Might be worth a try?

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                • #53
                  Don't discount therapy. I was plagued with issues my entire life. I found a phenomenal psychotherapist who has (slowly) been helping me understand what's at the root of all of it for me. It has changed my life.

                  You're not over it. If you were your body wouldn't be reacting as it is.

                  Not all therapists are bad as some have stated. I find those who make that claim have no personal experience with it and are projecting big time.

                  Best of luck.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Jena View Post
                    As far as finding a better way... I am trying. My life is chaos rht now partly for unrelated reasons beyond my control. I've just got to ride this next bit out somehow :/
                    You've got lots of time. For years I'd get caught in the idea that I needed to "figure it out" by 30, then 35, then 40. I'm now 45 and realize that my whole life is about figuring it out.

                    As far as life partner, I'm going to say something a little un-PC (or something): you're an adorable gal. The universe may have given you a bad card with the car wreck, but it also gave you a great card with your looks. Play it. Boys are going to want to be with you, despite you're being batshit crazy

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by primaljen268 View Post
                      Don't discount therapy. I was plagued with issues my entire life. I found a phenomenal psychotherapist who has (slowly) been helping me understand what's at the root of all of it for me. It has changed my life.

                      You're not over it. If you were your body wouldn't be reacting as it is.

                      Not all therapists are bad as some have stated. I find those who make that claim have no personal experience with it and are projecting big time.

                      Best of luck.
                      +1
                      I met a therapist who was good for me, and now I wined a lot of freedom and wellbeing.

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                      • #56
                        Give L-Theanine a shot.

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                        • #57
                          Without having read any of the other replies, here's my own experience with anxiety.
                          I've been suffering from anxiety and depression since I was 13 (I am now 22), that made me drop out of school and I've only just been able to finally start my education 3 weeks ago.
                          I always thought that I just had to get to the root of the problem, and my anxiety would go away forever.
                          I've come to realize though, that that won't happen, and all I can do is manage symptoms for the rest of my life. This isn't as bad as it sounds.

                          Things that has helped me extremly much:
                          Human contact (almost) everyday: Don't isolate yourself. I did it for years, and it only made matters worse. In the end, I forgot how to feel "normal" amongst people, and it only created more anxiety to get up and about.
                          Watch out with sugar and fake sweeteners: This may not apply to you, but if I binge on non-primal foods, i often go for milk chocolate and coke. This is usually a bad move, as I feel more vulnerable emotionally the next few days to come, I'll cry much more easily and feel more stress for no apparent reason. So if you eat non-primal things, find things you love, but that doesn't affect you emotionally.
                          Manage your stress: Meditate and do yoga. Everyday, if possible. Just for 30 minutes. This may seem like alot of time to invest every single day, but this is one of the best things you can do for yourself. In complete silence and with no interruptions, do a yogasession, some mindfullness and/or meditation.
                          Take long walks: This is very calming. Listen to music, or think through things that doesn't bother you, when you think about them.
                          The next one may not at all apply to your situation, but it did to mine (and still does): Come clean with people. Even if it happened years ago, try to have a conversation with them about how that particular situation you went through back then, affected you. I don't mean speaking to people that damaged you out of pure evil, but people that may or may not have known that they had an influence on you. Don't take this last advice to heart - it is extremly individual how people need to deal with situations or memories that gives them anxiety attacks.
                          Lastly, you need to get in dialogue with a psychiatrist, or a district nurse that is under the supervision of a psychiatrist, and go to weekly or monthly conversations untill you have settled on the correct medicine and correct dosis. I was an opponent of medicine for a long time, and it took me years to find a medicine that helped me, without giving me sideeffects. Even after a while of taking this medicine, I had to stop, to see for myself what it really did. All of my anxiety came back within months after stopping, and I wen't back on a slightly smaller dose than I had been taking, before stopping temporarily. A few months later, my anxiety went away, and i contribute it to these things: Medicine, stress management and growing mentally and emotionally.

                          Also, go to bed an hour earlier than usual and read a good book. Read yourself to sleep.

                          I hope you'll feel better.

                          Katharina
                          Last edited by Katharina; 09-07-2013, 08:07 AM.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Rojo View Post
                            You've got lots of time. For years I'd get caught in the idea that I needed to "figure it out" by 30, then 35, then 40. I'm now 45 and realize that my whole life is about figuring it out.

                            As far as life partner, I'm going to say something a little un-PC (or something): you're an adorable gal. The universe may have given you a bad card with the car wreck, but it also gave you a great card with your looks. Play it. Boys are going to want to be with you, despite you're being batshit crazy
                            I am going to respond to all of the posts because they were all so amazing and supportive, but I'm getting ready to go out. I had to respond to this. One, thank you. Girls always love to hear that. And two... lmao! I am definitely bat shit crazy, hahaha. That was awesome. It put a giant smile on my face! So far it's driven all the guys away, but I'll find a tough one some day, thank you!!

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Katharina View Post
                              Without having read any of the other replies, here's my own experience with anxiety.
                              I've been suffering from anxiety and depression since I was 13 (I am now 22), that made me drop out of school and I've only just been able to finally start my education 3 weeks ago.
                              I always thought that I just had to get to the root of the problem, and my anxiety would go away forever.
                              I've come to realize though, that that won't happen, and all I can do is manage symptoms for the rest of my life. This isn't as bad as it sounds.

                              Things that has helped me extremly much:
                              Human contact (almost) everyday: Don't isolate yourself. I did it for years, and it only made matters worse. In the end, I forgot how to feel "normal" amongst people, and it only created more anxiety to get up and about.
                              Watch out with sugar and fake sweeteners: This may not apply to you, but if I binge on non-primal foods, i often go for milk chocolate and coke. This is usually a bad move, as I feel more vulnerable emotionally the next few days to come, I'll cry much more easily and feel more stress for no apparent reason. So if you eat non-primal things, find things you love, but that doesn't affect you emotionally.
                              Manage your stress: Meditate and do yoga. Everyday, if possible. Just for 30 minutes. This may seem like alot of time to invest every single day, but this is one of the best things you can do for yourself. In complete silence and with no interruptions, do a yogasession, some mindfullness and/or meditation.
                              Take long walks: This is very calming. Listen to music, or think through things that doesn't bother you, when you think about them.
                              The next one may not at all apply to your situation, but it did to mine (and still does): Come clean with people. Even if it happened years ago, try to have a conversation with them about how that particular situation you went through back then, affected you. I don't mean speaking to people that damaged you out of pure evil, but people that may or may not have known that they had an influence on you. Don't take this last advice to heart - it is extremly individual how people need to deal with situations or memories that gives them anxiety attacks.
                              Lastly, you need to get in dialogue with a psychiatrist, or a district nurse that is under the supervision of a psychiatrist, and go to weekly or monthly conversations untill you have settled on the correct medicine and correct dosis. I was an opponent of medicine for a long time, and it took me years to find a medicine that helped me, without giving me sideeffects. Even after a while of taking this medicine, I had to stop, to see for myself what it really did. All of my anxiety came back within months after stopping, and I wen't back on a slightly smaller dose than I had been taking, before stopping temporarily. A few months later, my anxiety went away, and i contribute it to these things: Medicine, stress management and growing mentally and emotionally.

                              Also, go to bed an hour earlier than usual and read a good book. Read yourself to sleep.

                              I hope you'll feel better.

                              Katharina
                              Thank you. I agree with your advice. I am definitely dragging my feet on getting therapy. I'm not hearing great things about the ones in town and I haven't found any that have hours outside the 9-5 range. I still need to find a way to go though. Human contact is key. I spent all weekend with friends and it was nice. It also made me appreciate coming home to be alone as well instead of being sad about coming to an empty apartment. I need sunshine and exercise and friends! The coming clean part doesn't really apply to me... I'm pretty much an open book. I don't lie very often and I try not to hurt anyone.

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                              • #60
                                Jena, have you tried Cranial Sacral? It's really good for dealing with past trauma to the body. How it works? I have no idea. Does it work? Has worked for me on various things, yes. What's involved? Laying down and being touch at certain points on your body and a bit of a chat about what's going on. I'm having a session today. Google it, see what you think. I'm a convert.
                                Go sell crazy somewhere else.........we're all stocked up here.

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