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  • #76
    If i were to become a vegan i would not losten to the above advice at all... Low carb vegan??

    I think the fruitarians have it mostly right but need a bit more protein and probably a bit more fat to really thrive. My main food groups would fruit and fruit juice, potatoes and other tubers, squash, pumpkin, rice and a bit of veg. Id add coconut products and probably a few nuts like a brazil nut a day and a few others just for the minerals. I would see how that goes but might have to add some potato protein powder. Id rather avoid legumes and soy because of their estrogenic properties and other problems. Lastly i wouldnt avoid salt and wouldnt excessively drink water.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Zach View Post
      If i were to become a vegan i would not losten to the above advice at all... Low carb vegan??

      I think the fruitarians have it mostly right but need a bit more protein and probably a bit more fat to really thrive. My main food groups would fruit and fruit juice, potatoes and other tubers, squash, pumpkin, rice and a bit of veg. Id add coconut products and probably a few nuts like a brazil nut a day and a few others just for the minerals. I would see how that goes but might have to add some potato protein powder. Id rather avoid legumes and soy because of their estrogenic properties and other problems. Lastly i wouldnt avoid salt and wouldnt excessively drink water.
      How is eating vegetables and legumes low carb? You may want to actually, uh, read. If you are telling a vegan to avoid their only source of protein, good effing luck! No where did I say no tubers, I said no potato. That leaves sweet potato, yam, then there's squashes and plantains. No where did I say no nuts, but to balance them. No where did I say no coconut: in fact I said look at books... Which would be high in nut and seeds, and one of the base ingredients will end up being coconut.

      As an ex frugivore, you saying its right is irresponsible at best. You may want to actually know what you're talking about before jumping on my back.

      Why you are advising a sugar diet (juice and fruit?!) is beyond me.

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      • #78
        Because a sugar idet is the healthiest option, especially for vegans since most other options are either low calories, high fat (mostly unsaturated), highly estrogenic from tons of grains, legumes (soy!) and nuts, very low nutriant density or all of the above.

        Potatoes are one of the best sources of protein, dont know why you would avoid them. Fruit is one of the best sources for nutriants and doesnt have any of the problems tha veg, nuts and legumes has. And its obvious they high carb/low fat is superior to low carb/high fat when it comes to vegans since they cant include any animal sources to make the fat a decent source besides coconut.

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        • #79
          Shield_Maiden i was the guy who started the other thread. Thanks for the tips!

          And thanks for the tips Zach.

          My question to Magnolia was to understand what made her obese. Was it purely dietary, etc.
          Few but ripe.

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          • #80
            In thinking about this stuff earlier today, i might note that 80-10-10 -- as an example of macronutrients -- could work out no problem really on the vegan diet if you get enough calories.

            If I need 110g protein, and that needs to be 10% and it comes from foods where it's not exactly the most protein rich per volume, then the large calories of DR/FL would make sense. I would need 4,400 calories a day to get my protein needs met (at 10%), and 63g fat (at 10%), and then the remaining 3520 calories could come from carbohydrates (880g carbs).

            Juicing/blending would be the easiest way to get these calories.

            Of course, you also can't be sedentary. I think it would make sense to take up distance sports training. To make it fun, I recommend diversifying. Like, back when I was vegan (70% raw, mostly grain-free because I"m not big on grains anyway), I was doing triathlons and yoga -- so I was doing some kind of work out about 3 hrs a day. So, that should do you just fine. Might need less, might need more.

            But, I get why DR/FL are on about calories. Without eating enough calories, you really can't get the basic protein/fat needs met. But once you are eating enough calories, then you have to be active to burn off the amount of sugar you're consuming.

            I also like the Monarchs. I think they are sweet/funny. Anyway, Matt Monarch recommends eating very simply -- ie, eating the same things every day or similar. I can get with that. I discovered that when I eat the same things (primal) daily, that I do much better overall.

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            • #81
              All the veg@ns I have ever met are either scrawny or obese...NONE are healthy looking without serious supplements....
              Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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              • #82
                All swans i have seen so far are white.
                Few but ripe.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by loafingcactus View Post
                  Like, here... About a quarter of Swedish vegans and vegitarians are overweight or obese- Risk of overweight and obesity among semivegetarian, lactovegetarian, and vegan women

                  I didn't need a study to tell me that, I can just look around me, but there is one.
                  Eh, what? If a quarter of all vegetarians were overweight, at least 80% of the swedish obese would be vegetarians. The fact that we have a shitload of vegetarians but very few obese people should speak for itself here.

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                  • #84
                    I've seen black, brown, grey, and white swans.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by zoebird View Post
                      I've seen black, brown, grey, and white swans.
                      did you barbecue them?
                      Few but ripe.

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                      • #86
                        Although I must agree that most of the vegetarians and vegans I know are thin, I have known one man, in particular who was a vegetarian all his life, as his parents (both thin) were veggies before he was born...who was VERY obese, almost 500 pounds when last I saw him. I regret that I have very few medical details about him to share, however, and I haven't seen him for years.

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                        A light from the shadows shall spring....

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by 70in2012 View Post
                          All swans i have seen so far are white.
                          Yes, no evidence of A doesn't equate with evidence of no A. Inductive reasoning fallacy. Black swan syndrome. Blah blah.

                          But how many rising suns after sunsets do you need to be convinced? How many unhealthy vegans does one need to convince self that veganism is probably not the way to go?

                          Aside from anecdotal evidence, it is difficult to get all the nutrients on a vegan diet, especially all in a readily absorbable form. Like it or not, animals store their nutrients in a more familiar format to our bodies than plants do. Thus, it is easier for human beings to harvest said nutrients. At the end of the day it isn't just about protein or carbs or fat...it is about vitamins and minerals and the forms they are locked up in plants that make it harder for human beings to utilize.

                          I don't think we need a TON of animals in our diet, but eating just a tiny bit here and there goes a long way in nutrition.

                          Also, animals are tasty IMO.

                          It seems like those who are stubbornly trying to argue that veganism/vegetarianism is healthy will always find wacky studies to support their point. I have had people cite the stupid China study to me a billion times. Uck.
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                          • #88
                            ^^^^

                            i think you did not read my position elsewhere in this forum.

                            i am willing to accept a minor inconvenience of being sup-optimally healthy during a few years that i will live in return for not supporting industrial scale, unnecessary slaughter of animals.

                            i ate meat all these years. now i am convinced i dont have the right to kill innocent animals just because i need to keep a little more optimal physique. Especially when i have other choices.

                            to each his own. i am not downplaying or judging your choice.
                            Few but ripe.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by 70in2012 View Post
                              did you barbecue them?
                              No, they belonged to the golf course next door to our place. Weren't mine to BBQ.

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                              • #90
                                To the point of industrially managed animal foods, there's a simple way to avoid it -- go straight to farm, purchasing farm-butchered, etc. Boom. Done.

                                You see, back in the day, I was vegan. My husband was not. We discovered local farms where we could get chickens, beef, bison, venison, eggs, dairy products (raw), and even a trout farm that was surprisingly clean. only the bison was managed "off farm" at a small-scale, family-owned slaughter house that I actually visited and watched them go through the whole process. It was nothing like large scale, industrial feed lots or slaughterhouses. Honestly, it was very respectful, humane, and very, very clean.

                                I totally get your desire to be vegan/vegetarian -- totally go for it if you feel it's the best thing to do (though this is a weird website on which to find information about that sort of lifestyle). But if/when you feel that it might be important to eat meat (or eggs/dairy) again, go and look for local farms. The weston a price foundation has great lists of farms on their web site (by state and country).

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