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  • #16
    Vegetarians tend to be either grossly underweight and weak or grossly overweight and weak.

    Pass.

    The ones that actually eat fruits and vegetables tend to be underweight. The ones who live off fried flour and soy tend to be fat.
    Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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    • #17
      I ate a tonne when I was vegan... But so much of it was undigested fiber... I was ALWAYS hungry (which should've been a clue that I wasn't fuelling properly). Most of the vegetarians I knew we're slimmer than the average person, but you do often get vegetarianism (or any organized nutrition plan) co-existing with health-consciousness... Ie, they're more likely to exercise, eat real food (less processed) etc... Separating cause and effect in that scenario is difficult. That being said, I feel like that model is changing... People who are young and turning to vegetarianism are often doing it for ethical reasons and are less likely to be the hyper health-minded veggies of the past... These new ones read those labels, all 100 ingredients, to find veggie and vegan "food" that meets their restrictions without pausing to think that eating a giant order or McD fries, coke and a sundae may be vegetarian, but it sure as soup isn't healthy.

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      • #18
        It strikes me that the fact that someone may be willing to drastically restrict their diet for ideological reasons may be an extension of the fact that they may not be as attached to the pleasures of eating.

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        • #19
          Thanks for all the answers, and thanks for the Bulgarian greetings from all Primal is getting larger.

          I will quote some answers with comments:

          "Skyroketing" insulin does not mean fat storage. It's all about how much one eats. Good carbohydrates are absolutely necessary.
          This really confuses me, and should read again all primal books, because as I recall the main concept of primal is not that toxic food make us obese - it makes us ill. We get fat and obese specifcly because of skyrocket insulin levels. I can't quote certain part of "the primal blueprint" because this hypotezis (that I admire widely) is all over the book. Mark says don't controll your calorie intake due to it will be control by itself - you can't overeat on primal because you wouldn't want to - you wont have the drive, so no need to control the amount of food. And another thing - if there are too much triglicerides in blood, without the high level of insulin to store it as fat, organism is just going to boost metabolism to deal with with the fat. The only positive carbo I read about is the carbo delivered from vegetables and limited amounts of fruits, but nothing about rise and grains. What other "good carbs" you have in mind?

          I don't find myself confused if the vegetarians are more I'll than us - no doubt they are. There is not one world champion of any sports that is pure vegetarian. Problem is why are not they obese specifcly because of the high insulin delivered with whole grain and carbo foods they mainly ingest - rise, potatos, bread ect. High insulin blocks the organism from using fat for energy, and the excess of glucose should turn into fat that goes directly for storage instead of used for fuel while eating even organic grains, rise and bread.There for vegans and vegetarians should mostly be obese even not skiny fat - obese.

          I should say I defenetly have observation of a few vegetarians, but they certanly are not obese, as I would expect them to be. Not well with health of course - ironicly blameing them selfs that they are not vegetarian enough

          Maybe the most usefull answer was this one:
          vegans and vegitarians are overweight or obese- Risk of overweight and obesity among semivegetarian, lactovegetarian, and vegan women

          Graycat
          If there are more official charts and studies revealing the rate of obesity and bad health among vegetarians it will be more easy for me to convince people I train that this is a myth - the healthy, lean vegetarian.

          (BTW I don't argue at all that Vegs are less healthy and powerfull than us, but I can understand why are they not obese because of all that insulin)
          Last edited by paradīzio; 08-25-2013, 04:16 AM.

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          • #20
            I had few more quotes to discuse but my battery went down, will continue as soon as i get home.
            Last edited by paradīzio; 08-25-2013, 03:47 AM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by paradīzio View Post
              I had few more quotes to discuse but my battery went down, will continue as soon as i get home.
              Just be ware that some people follow the PB as mostly as prescribed and some people vary it to there own preference or particular health reasons ( some are very low carb and some are high carb ).

              Some people do stuff that appears to be nothing like what's 'prescribed' in PB - it's a free forum and people can do as they please :-)

              I'm not saying what is 'right' or 'wrong' but just letting you know that you may get some responses that may seem very confusing at first ( not quite in line with PB stuff you may have read) - though I haven't seen any extreme responses in this thread yet :-)

              Initially I dropped all white starches, but later with experimentation I introduced them in a small amounts ( white rice and white potatoes) with no I'll effects - after doing this I learned it seems Mark has reconsidered and taken a softer approach on these starches and considers them 'neutral' ( can be eaten if no issues arise and you have the calorie requirement in an active lifestyle - higher physical activity lifestyle may benefit from higher carb intake).

              You will work out what works for you over time with some experimentation - if you haven't done so already.
              Last edited by EatMoveSleep; 08-25-2013, 05:19 AM.

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              • #22
                As for insulin causing fat deposits - some people here will argue here its not the cause of storing fat ( or it's overly simplified) -These arguments from both sides could go on for pages.

                I don't know, but dropping processed wheat, processed sugar, processed oils and highly processed foods in general will make room for real whole foods ( meat, veg, fruit, some dairy, some nuts).

                Eating enough real foods fuels the body properly and keeps it healthy. It doesn't leave one hungry and craving for extra empty junk calories causing ill health and fat deposits ( that's the way I look at it anyway).

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by paradīzio View Post
                  I had few more quotes to discuse but my battery went down, will continue as soon as i get home.
                  It basically comes down to eating real food. Insulin spikes are normal physiological process that occurs in our bodies every time we eat. Any food, except for pure fat. From that small pic you appear to be a young person in good shape. Can you give me a solid argument as to why anyone should have to eat high-fat low-carb diet and attempt to avoid the release of insulin as much as possible? Just because it works for 0.0000000001% of the world's population, doesn't mean it can work for everyone. Especially long-term.

                  BTW I personally don't advocate vegetarianism. Neither do I support a ketogenic diet, obviously.
                  Last edited by Graycat; 08-25-2013, 08:34 AM.

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                  • #24
                    My husband has 4 cousins who are all vegans. 1 is more of a vegetarian (eats cheese), and appears healthy, another is vegan, but actually eats real food, and he also appears healthy (but very pale), and the other two are into all the processed "vegan" pseudo foods (not dogs, boca burgers, etc.), and both of them are unhealthy and overweight.

                    Live and let live. If it's working for the first two, then I have no beef (No pun, I swear). The other two I worry about, but they choose their lifestyle, and all the badgering in the world will not change them.

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                    • #25
                      I have a good friend who calls himself a primal vegetarian. Eats no transfats, grains, soy or processed food. Gets his protein from eggs and once in awhile wild fish but refuses to eat other animals on humanitarian grounds. He's 73 and in incredibly good shape. There are many shades of gray to the Primal/Paleo blueprint, finding what works for you is what is most important.
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                      • #26
                        I am a health care provider and I see PLENTY of vegetarians who are overweight and many suffer from diabetes and eating disorders. Overall they are way less healthy then omnivores.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                          Yeah, maybe if it were true. And if skinny was the one true measure of health.

                          How 'bout this as a generalization? Some vegetarians are thin because their food sucks, so they don't eat a lot of it.
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                          • #28
                            I've been overweight pretty much my entire life (or at least from when I was old enough to grasp body image concepts). I became a vegetarian in my 20's and into my early 30's...where I gained a significant amount of additional weight and a few health issues too. Sadly Doritos, Snickers, pasta, cheese pizza, mac & cheese ... need I go on?... all fell into the "vegetarian" framework quite nicely. It is quite easy to be an overweight vegetarian.

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                            • #29
                              We have two kinds of vegetarian/vegan at work. The scrawny, dizzy, can barely stand up kind with no muscle tone and huge black bags under their eyes who eat a pile of leaves for lunch and the morbidly obese, chips-and-soda vegans who look like zombies, too, but are very fat. They are both in terrible shape, but one gets excess calories and the other does not. Both look like they need to be admitted and force-fed real chicken soup for a month.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                                We have two kinds of vegetarian/vegan at work. The scrawny, dizzy, can barely stand up kind with no muscle tone and huge black bags under their eyes who eat a pile of leaves for lunch and the morbidly obese, chips-and-soda vegans who look like zombies, too, but are very fat. They are both in terrible shape, but one gets excess calories and the other does not. Both look like they need to be admitted and force-fed real chicken soup for a month.
                                Then there are the kind like Mac Danzig and Mike Mahler who would knock your teeth out for talking shit.

                                Come on man, being vegan may not be ideal but its not inherently unhealthy, vegetarians can easily be healthier then meat eaters. Dont know why you got such hate on.

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