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  • Let's Make a Ray Peat Forum

    Every time a thread goes Peat, we can move it there, so people know it's not Primal.
    Crohn's, doing SCD

  • #2
    Three words, steak and eggs.

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    • #3
      All egg diet
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      • #4
        Steak and eggs are both included on Primal Blueprint. Ingesting gallons of orange juice and milk and soda does not fit anywhere here. People are being thrown around and confused terribly by your whole pack, and it's not fair. If you people had been here when I was getting started, I might never have broken my intense sugar addiction. Newbies deserve better than this.
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        • #5
          Did you ever stop to think maybe the reason there is a state of discordance is because not everyone feels well on your diet of nothing but meat and vegetables? Also, like every other person, you have Ray Peat all wrong.

          My diet is far more "primal" than most people, who eat the ass of animals only and bacon along with lots of modern fats in order to remain in ketosis.

          Oysters 4 times a week
          Gouda cheese every day 3-4oz
          Fruit usually OJ, bananas, dates, mango, some apple sauce
          Cottage cheese every day 16-32oz
          Liver once every 2 weeks 6oz
          2 eggs a day
          Coffee with sugar and half and half
          Mexican coke 1-2 a day
          Rice once in a while with San J gluten free soy sauce
          Carrots every day
          Potatoes 3x a week
          Dark chocolate 4-6 bars a week
          And tons of Knox gelatin in there

          At odd times I'll eat oxtail usually a few times a month, and sometimes I'll have beef or lamb bowls with rice and more soy sauce.

          Go ahead and criticize that. Notice, gallons of soda are not being ingested, and I tolerate dairy immensely well, being of largely Western European descent, and it's one of the most complete foods there is. I don't fear all neolithic creations, as I'm not on that level of paranoia.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
            Steak and eggs are both included on Primal Blueprint. Ingesting gallons of orange juice and milk and soda does not fit anywhere here. People are being thrown around and confused terribly by your whole pack, and it's not fair. If you people had been here when I was getting started, I might never have broken my intense sugar addiction. Newbies deserve better than this.
            I have only seen positive responses from people incorporating Peats ideas. You sound bitter and jealous.

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            • #7
              Derp, no milk?

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              • #8
                I omitted a few things like honey, maple syrup, and others due to variances in consumption. I drink milk, but not much in the summer because it is less palatable to me when it's very hot outside.
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                • #9
                  It's not just that excessive sugar consumption, either. I even like some chocolate and sugars here and there. Sometimes, not every day. It's also that every time somebody says they have a problem, you and your cronies chime in saying it's because their thyroid is messed up from not eating enough candy. It's not physically possible for every person here to have bad thyroids. And then you pretend red meat is bad because of tryptophan. It's all weird niche stuff that newbies don't need to buy. You are defeating people in their quest for health. New posters used to stay and remain active for months, now it's more like weeks because of all the conflict you create. This used to be a place people could ask questions and get real answers, now they get told to go eat candy and drink soda. You should be ashamed of what you've done to this place. You're overriding what Mark would tell people and inserting what Peat might say.
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                  • #10
                    I say muscle meat, and that it should be balanced. Gelatinous cuts of meat are perfect counters to excess inflammatory amino acids, and the calcium in dairy is used to create a good calcium to phosphorus ratio in order to convert tryptophan into vitamin b3. Your idea of a perfect diet is lopsided, the one I talk about is balanced. Which one is more defeating? People are in charge of their own health, and with people like you who are absolutely opposed to there possibly being more than one way in order to get healthy, this is what is holding people back. If they truly felt perfectly good on a primal diet like yours, why are you intimidated? If this is the one way, then people can see it as crazy and disregard us as trolls. Obviously, this isn't the case though, as then there wouldn't be any of "us" in the first place. I figured you would have learned how dangerous it is to be told there is only one possible way.

                    Yet, when it fits your agenda, it's perfectly fine. Peat shares many things in common with the ideal "real food" diet, yet, you can only create a straw man by repeatedly saying candy and soda. One does not need to touch those things to adapt to this diet, just like one doesn't need to eat nothing but veggies and meat to be primal. Avoid chemicals, seed oils, allergen heavy foods, and maintain a balanced, nutrient dense diet. The real dangerous diet is the one that is heavily restricted.

                    Thyroid issues are a lot more common than you think, and most people definitely showcase many of the symptoms for having a sluggish thyroid. I mention fruit, and avoiding PUFA, and upping carbs more in general in order to energize the liver and help conversion of t4 into t3. What's wrong with this?
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                    • #11
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                      Though on a serious note, I've started adding more sugary fruit to my diet for the past couple of days. What I'm noticing is that I'm having trouble falling asleep, especially if I eat fruit late at night. Also, my joint pain and eczema seem worse off. These could be the consequence of a million different things, but I've been journaling the food I eat for the past six months and have consistently found that too much sugary fruit does the above to me.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Derpamix View Post

                        Thyroid issues are a lot more common than you think, and most people definitely showcase many of the symptoms for having a sluggish thyroid.
                        This is true.

                        Also, I definitely benefit from hearing opposing points of view and I'm betting so do a lot of other people, so don't go away, Peatards!
                        Ones who try my curry are not ones to leave in a hurry

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                        • #13
                          I think ill start posting more often.

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                          • #14
                            I think it might help if we put out a list of where the Primal vs Peat plans diverge and overlap. That way someone just starting out would at least know where their advice is coming from. I invite folks from both camps to help me refine the list as we go.


                            Places where Primal and Peat are in total agreement:

                            1)Yay shellfish!
                            2)Yay organ meats!
                            3)Yay gelatin and gelatinous cuts of meat!
                            4)Junkfood particularly those containing industrial oils are bad for you
                            5)Stress reduction is key


                            Places where it's YMMV or dose dependent:

                            1)Primal says sugar won't kill you but keep it to a minimum (e.g. Mark has some in his coffee).
                            Peat says it's a medicine and you should eat lots of it.
                            2)Both think dairy is an good food if you can tolerate it and if you can get the good stuff.
                            Peat just thinks it should be half of your calories (Really?)
                            3)Primal says caffeine is OK in moderation as long as it is not an energy crutch.
                            Peat says it's good for you. Drink up.
                            4)Primal says nothing wrong with fruit if you have extra calories to spare and it agrees with you. Eat the whole fruit.
                            Peat says to chug OJ. But strain it first because the fiber is bad for you. (Really?)
                            5)Primal sees nothing wrong with a carrot salad.
                            Peat says to have one every day.
                            6)Both say to limit PUFA intake but Peat takes it to the extreme of saying salmon is unhealthy.

                            Places where Peat and Primal are totally different :

                            1)Peat encourages use of pharmaceuticals such as aspirin, progesterone, DHEA, etc.
                            Primal encourages health through natural means.
                            2)Soda and candy are considered "food" with Peat.
                            Primal is about real foods. Ones found in nature.
                            3)For Peat a racing heart rate and high body temp are considered hallmarks of health.
                            Primal aims for an efficient metabolism, fast isn't the point.
                            4)Primal goes about stress reduction through sleep, play, not overtraining, sunshine.
                            Peat says that not having enough sugar is stressful so eat some more of it. And then some more.
                            Last edited by Paleobird; 08-03-2013, 03:29 PM. Reason: forgot the gelatin

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                              I think it might help if we put out a list of where the Primal vs Peat plans diverge and overlap. That way someone just starting out would at least know where their advice is coming from. I invite folks from both camps to help me refine the list as we go.


                              Places where Primal and Peat are in total agreement:

                              1)Yay shellfish!
                              2)Yay organ meats!


                              Places where it's YMMV or dose dependent:

                              1)Primal says sugar won't kill you but keep it to a minimum (e.g. Mark has some in his coffee).
                              Peat says it's a medicine and you should eat lots of it.
                              he says sugar is supplemental, and says it should come mostly from fruit.
                              2)Both think dairy is an good food if you can tolerate it and if you can get the good stuff.
                              Peat just thinks it should be half of your calories (Really?)
                              and the problem with that is? it is a much more complete food than any meat source besides liver, and cheeses have the scarce vitamin k2 that is sorely lacking in everyone's diet
                              3)Primal says caffeine is OK in moderation as long as it is not an energy crutch.
                              Peat says it's good for you. Drink up.
                              it is, nothing has proven otherwise
                              4)Primal says nothing wrong with fruit if you have extra calories to spare and it agrees with you. Eat the whole fruit.
                              Peat says to chug OJ. But strain it first because the fiber is bad for you. (Really?)
                              extra calories to spare look at the nutrients in OJ, and weren't you the one posting fiber menace everywhere? you get enough fiber eating fruit. he also says to eat tons of fruit, it's up to interpretation and what you'd rather do.
                              5)Primal sees nothing wrong with a carrot salad.
                              Peat says to have one every day.
                              and the problem with that is?

                              Places where Peat and Primal are totally different :

                              1)Peat encourages use of pharmaceuticals such as aspirin, progesterone, DHEA, etc.
                              Primal encourages health through natural means.
                              Mark sells supplements, so do many paleo gurus. Peat recommends next to no supplements
                              2)Soda and candy are considered "food" with Peat.
                              Primal is about real foods. Ones found in nature.
                              ok, besides mexican coke, which is inoffensive, what candy does he recommend? you've never once pointed it out. gummy bears? he doesn't recommend those, unless you make them yourself from gelatin, I ate those on my own. Derpamix =/= Peat.
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                              Last edited by Derpamix; 08-02-2013, 09:55 PM.
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