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  • So I got into an argument with my Doctor today...

    I had an appointment with my doctor this morning to go over my recent blood work. We sit down and she starts right away with "Your Cholesterol is high and your LDL is very high". She asked me what I eat and I told her, and im quite sure she vomited in her mouth a little bit. She preceded to tell me that LDL is the largest precursor to heart disease and I said i don't believe that. She looked dumb founded as if I insulted her? I then said my HDL is high (81) and my Trigs are low (49). She told me she doesn't believe Trigs should be involved in the evaluation of cardiovascular health. I mentioned that according to my VAP test my cholesterol was mostly Large Boyuant and she basically didn't care. She then asked me if I am aware that red meat is known to cause cancer? I couldn't believe my ears I had already told her I only eat pastured and 100% grass fed animal products and I didn't eat factory farm animal meats. The icing on the cake so to speak was when she asked me how I felt that I was increasing my carbon foot print by eating animal products and if I was ok with poisining the earth. I thought about it for a minute and I said, "yep". She got very irritated I just enjoying our discussion at that point ha. I told her I want optimum health for myself and she said what I was doing was not optimal and that vegetarianism/ veganisim was the optimum diet for me. I am changing my doctor.

  • #2
    When you're dancing on her grave in your VFFs, you'll have had the last laugh.
    "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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    • #3
      Ah yes, it is in her job description to talk about your carbon foot print, BAER. How odd.

      ETA: I think it is her job to make the health points as she thinks is correct and I think you were both were on the edges of the truth, but going outside the medical box was not correct behavior.
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      • #4
        I agree completely... She also gave me a website to look at trying to convince me that I should go vegan/vegetarian PCRM: Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine

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        • #5
          A copy of the Vegetarian Myth and the below video would have been useful--but I agree to find a new doc.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by paint94979 View Post
            I agree completely... She also gave me a website to look at trying to convince me that I should go vegan/vegetarian PCRM: Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine
            Oh, no way! I was looking for recipes/cooking help a few days ago... and found a blog post by a chef talking about PCRM. They apparently had an article in the Huffington Post that was full of incorrect information, and she took it apart point by point in her post. She tried contacting them about the bad info, and got a reply like this:

            “Doctors who prescribe “chicken and fish” instead of red meat to sick patients are simply kidding themselves and not doing their patients any favors. As long as people think they are going to improve their health by eating chicken, they are going to end up returning to their cardiologists wondering what went wrong, if they make it for the return trip alive.” (I added the bold.)

            A Failed Nutrition Quiz and a Dire Warning Against Deadly Chicken Breasts (courtesy of The Huffington Post and Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine)

            What was interesting was that the chef who blogged about this is NOT paleo (though she clearly eats real, whole foods - so yay.) This group even had HER scratching her head.

            Anyway, hearing stuff like this scares me... I haven't been to a doctor in awhile, and I have an appointment with a new doc scheduled Wednesday. I was a vegetarian for 20 years - it didn't work, and I'm pretty sure is at least partially to blame for some of the problems I'm having now!

            Good luck, I hope you can find an awesome new doc!

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            • #7
              I eat Primal and get some exercise.... so I don't bother going to medical doctors

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              • #8
                I don't go to medical doctors either. Funny enough, in America, thanks to Obummer's health care, I have to get health insurance whether I want it or not or face a fine.

                We could have stopped this.
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                • #9
                  PCRM is just another flavor of PETA/ALF. Any doctor that would use their material should be laughed at because that's about as credible as a tabloid.

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                  • #10
                    I recently ditched a doc like that. Lucky to find a D.O. who is reasonable. She still pushes some CW but a great improvement.
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                    • #11
                      I feel like making flyers for MDA members of me as a 260lb vegan that dozed off every afternoon and was probably a step short of diabetes and one of me as a 172 lb carnivore. You can hand them to your doctor to identify the diet behind the photo.....This idea that vegan/vegetarian diets are some health panacea is LAUGHABLE.

                      Good luck finding a new doctor.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by paint94979 View Post
                        she asked me how I felt that I was increasing my carbon foot print by eating animal products and if I was ok with poisining the earth. I thought about it for a minute and I said, "yep".
                        smartassness is my favorite human trait
                        beautiful
                        yeah you are

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                        • #13
                          AH well, at least you know otherwise. Not had a doc like that. Even when I was overweight, my doctors never talked to me about it, so I don't know how I'd react. Hell, last time I saw a doc at all I was recovering from having my gallbladder out and he was all thumbs about eating whatever.

                          What perplexes me is that doctors buy the usual drivvel. When we say doctor, we associate it with diligence and far above average intelligence. You'd think these guys would be curious enough to constantly read new things, and smart enough to use Science to verify it.

                          M.

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                          • #14
                            when I get a new doctor, I will take a picture of me at 350 + pounds, with a 5' waist line. After a 125 lb. loss, no one NO ONE can tell me that CW is healthier.

                            I hope you find a doctor that is willing to work with you.

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                            • #15
                              I had a full physical recently where my cholesterol numbers were high and I got similar advice (although more gently delivered).

                              For me the challenge is being respectful of their expertise and experience whilst holding a different view. I know how I'd feel if someone came to me in a field I'd dedicated my life to and argued based on some stuff they've read on the Internet...

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