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  • #16
    Originally posted by Yanwoo View Post
    I had a full physical recently where my cholesterol numbers were high and I got similar advice (although more gently delivered).

    For me the challenge is being respectful of their expertise and experience whilst holding a different view. I know how I'd feel if someone came to me in a field I'd dedicated my life to and argued based on some stuff they've read on the Internet...

    I agree but the second her point of view turned personal I was obligated to become a smartass .

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    • #17
      Here's a link for Paleo Physicians:
      Paleo Physicians Network
      Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by MEversbergII View Post

        What perplexes me is that doctors buy the usual drivvel. When we say doctor, we associate it with diligence and far above average intelligence. You'd think these guys would be curious enough to constantly read new things, and smart enough to use Science to verify it.
        unless they are solely in private practice, most doctors are over-burdened with the patient-load now demanded by hmo's. they are also not in the field of "prevention". mostly what they are taught is to diagnose symptoms and then manage those dominoes. how many old folks do you know who take buckets of pills each day?

        i have never had a doctor who recommended anything other than lots of whole grains, low-fat and minimal meat. my dentist and hygienist though?! super happy when i gave up grains.

        am quite sure there would be liability issues if they went against ama dogma and a patient got cancer or had a heart attack.

        personal anecdote:

        friend of ours, about 50, slim, fit, very active. chronic agonizing back pain for several years. doctors were finally starting to talk surgery since it was becoming debilitating and his job is physically demanding.

        in the meantime he had a massive coronary that required a quadruple by-pass. his wife is a nurse and if she hadn't been home at the time he would have died.

        after the by-pass, his back pain was gone and has never returned. his doctors then realized the pain was actually a manifestation of artery blockage and had nothing to do with his skeleton. further, if they had opened him up? he likely would have died on the table. ffs, we are not that far removed from leeches as far medical treatment goes.


        from hippocrates:

        “Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food”

        “Walking is man's best medicine. ”
        from luke:

        And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.
        how many fat doctors do you see?
        As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

        – Ernest Hemingway

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        • #19
          See? This is why I can't function in polite society....I would have insulted her and called her some vulgar words and left the office at about the carbon footprint point.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Primal Moose View Post
            See? This is why I can't function in polite society....I would have insulted her and called her some vulgar words and left the office at about the carbon footprint point.
            You and me both. I would have broken my carbon footprint off in her ass.

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            • #21
              Find a decent Dr and discuss that VLDL 3.
              When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
              27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
              new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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              • #22
                Originally posted by canio6 View Post
                You and me both. I would have broken my carbon footprint off in her ass.

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                • #23
                  My doctor was initially against the Primal Blueprint but it was because she had some incorrect assumptions (mostly that she saw it as being just like Atkins). When I explained that the PB is very similar to the anti-inflammatory diet that she recommends, she got on board.
                  High Weight: 225
                  Weight at start of Primal: 189
                  Current Weight: 174
                  Goal Weight: 130

                  Primal Start Date: 11/26/2012

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                  • #24
                    I am odd. I would stay with that same doc, and try to find ways to convince her. I guess I feel like that because IF I were able to turn her, then I would have acquired enough knowledge to "turn" about anyone, but far more importantly, I would have acquired enough knowledge to KNOW that what I was doing was right.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by jackaaron View Post
                      I am odd. I would stay with that same doc, and try to find ways to convince her. I guess I feel like that because IF I were able to turn her, then I would have acquired enough knowledge to "turn" about anyone, but far more importantly, I would have acquired enough knowledge to KNOW that what I was doing was right.
                      That is what I get out of arguing with people on the interwebs- it forces one to check sources and clean up accuracy. But I'm not up for those kinds of headaches when I see a physician.
                      “In God we trust; all others must bring data.” W. Edwards Deming
                      Blogging at http://loafingcactus.com

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by loafingcactus View Post
                        That is what I get out of arguing with people on the interwebs- it forces one to check sources and clean up accuracy. But I'm not up for those kinds of headaches when I see a physician.
                        Ha! No doubt!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                          I eat Primal and get some exercise.... so I don't bother going to medical doctors
                          HAH! Me too. XD Although I probably should go sometime to see if they can fix my big toenails. I tend to kick things. I doubt they can help though.
                          Out of context quote for the day:

                          Clearly Gorbag is so awesome he should be cloned, reproducing in the normal manner would only dilute his awesomeness. - Urban Forager

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
                            friend of ours, about 50, slim, fit, very active. chronic agonizing back pain for several years. doctors were finally starting to talk surgery since it was becoming debilitating and his job is physically demanding.

                            in the meantime he had a massive coronary that required a quadruple by-pass. his wife is a nurse and if she hadn't been home at the time he would have died.

                            after the by-pass, his back pain was gone and has never returned. his doctors then realized the pain was actually a manifestation of artery blockage and had nothing to do with his skeleton. further, if they had opened him up? he likely would have died on the table. ffs, we are not that far removed from leeches as far medical treatment goes.
                            So true. We do not have space aged technology and we can't literally see inside people. MRI's, X-rays and exploratory surgery all have their downsides and might not detect things. It reminds me of that Star Trek movie, where McCoy told the present day doctors that they needed to rebuild the vein. I always wished someone had responded, "Yeah, obviously. Got any ideas on how to do that, smartass?"
                            Out of context quote for the day:

                            Clearly Gorbag is so awesome he should be cloned, reproducing in the normal manner would only dilute his awesomeness. - Urban Forager

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
                              Here's a link for Paleo Physicians:
                              Paleo Physicians Network
                              I found one on this website last week and he looked at my recent blood work for free. I am having problems with constipation out of nowhere. His first question was "are you getting enough fat in your diet". I was thrilled! There is a lot more to it than that and my fat intake is at the proper level, but it was nice to not hear the "eat more whole grains" BS.

                              This part is a bit off topic…….He is quite far away from me but he does free consultations and I am driving up for one. He is very expensive as they don't take insurance. They will give you what you need to file though. It guess it really isn't that much considering the grand scheme of things and healthcare scams. They work on a retainer and this is one time that a health care savings account would be of use. I'm pretty sure that whatever I try to file with my insurance will not be paid. I have Tricare and it really sucks. I guess most everyone will have something similar soon or pay a “fine” which is really just a tax.

                              The main thing is that most of us are going to have no choice but to deal with Doctors who spout CW all the time unless we have the money to choose what doctor we want to see.

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                              • #30
                                I think that while doctors in general are very smart and diligent, certainty is compelling and they get sucked into *believing* rather than evaluating. It's very hard to convince people otherwise when they've developed a belief. I would challenge her to a science-off... Go one for one on articles (unfortunately you'll need to read her propaganda to be fair)... You won't convince her in the short term, but if you can get her to do some reading, doubts will creep into her certainties and if she is intellectually curious, as I hope most doctors are, she may eventually start to seek out more information and slowly change her views. It's like getting healthy... It won't change over night. I have a degree in nutrition and I still have a hard time with 'saturated fat is good'... I still have a reflex that was built into me from my education. It all takes time.
                                Side note, I find medical doctors quite effective for acute needs, but chronic issues never seem to be notably resolved. I think an integrated approach is the ticket.

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