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  • #31
    Originally posted by faredoon View Post
    Till cholesterol agnosticism becomes mainstream science, I don't think Paleo/Primal will get credibility.

    I like Dean Ornish's statement (not his diet programme) - "If you are on an Atkins-style diet, you are just mortgaging your health".
    You are comparing eating Primal with Atkins? I called you a shit stirrer because you are one. Good luck to you.

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    • #32
      Primal/Paleo = Atkins-style (high-saturated fat, sounds familiar?)
      Atkins is more of an umbrella term that Ornish used.

      Why the venom?

      Originally posted by oceangrl View Post
      You are comparing eating Primal with Atkins? I called you a shit stirrer because you are one. Good luck to you.

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      Last edited by faredoon; 07-29-2013, 05:46 PM.

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      • #33
        Two Interesting statements

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        • #34
          Originally posted by oceangrl View Post
          You are comparing eating Primal with Atkins? I called you a shit stirrer because you are one. Good luck to you.

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          He's not a shit stirrer. He's genuinely someone who tried but never really accepted the approach. I've been corresponding privately with him. The force was not strong enough in this one. A pity, because the CW advice he is getting (each six times per day, don't eat saturated fats) will not serve him well
          Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

          Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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          • #35
            I don't understand why people trash the atkins diet...

            I did that when I was younger and lost a lot of weight and was basically primal then...Someone said that if I didn't eat sugar and carbs, I would lose weight- I ate a lot of BLT wraps with a slice of turkey as the roll, and tada. I still don't understand the difference, or the enmity.
            "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

            Jack london, "Before Adam"

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            • #36
              Originally posted by peril View Post
              He's not a shit stirrer. He's genuinely someone who tried but never really accepted the approach. I've been corresponding privately with him. The force was not strong enough in this one. A pity, because the CW advice he is getting (each six times per day, don't eat saturated fats) will not serve him well
              Good to know. Just did not ring true to me. I like being proven wrong in cases like this. :0) Sad that he is led down the CW path though.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                I don't understand why people trash the atkins diet...

                I did that when I was younger and lost a lot of weight and was basically primal then...Someone said that if I didn't eat sugar and carbs, I would lose weight- I ate a lot of BLT wraps with a slice of turkey as the roll, and tada. I still don't understand the difference, or the enmity.
                Atkins is fine but so limited in carbs.

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                • #38
                  Can't help it, really. Obviously, I did not do something right.

                  I did lose the weight (although I did not need to), but I think lipid markers (according to CW of course) are first priority for me, no matter how good I felt.

                  Originally posted by oceangrl View Post
                  Good to know. Just did not ring true to me. I like being proven wrong in cases like this. :0) Sad that he is led down the CW path though.

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                  • #39
                    Not sure how much it's changed over the years, but the main difference was that Atkins was specifically a weight loss diet. Primal addresses a lot of other things like sleep, sourcing good food, playing, getting sun, etc. Their commonality was the low carb approach. Induction on Atkins was very low (maybe 20 gms of carbs?), but after that, it was time to add carbs until each individual found the right balance for continuing to lose.

                    My mom lost a ton of weight on Atkins practically living on canned tuna and mayonnaise. That's nothing like PB.
                    "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                    B*tch-lite

                    Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                    • #40
                      Comparing PB and Atkins down to the specifics, of course they are not the same. What Ornish meant to say was that anything that advocates so much saturated fat is a risk. That's CW for you. I don't think CW is completely false.

                      Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                      Not sure how much it's changed over the years, but the main difference was that Atkins was specifically a weight loss diet. Primal addresses a lot of other things like sleep, sourcing good food, playing, getting sun, etc. Their commonality was the low carb approach. Induction on Atkins was very low (maybe 20 gms of carbs?), but after that, it was time to add carbs until each individual found the right balance for continuing to lose.

                      My mom lost a ton of weight on Atkins practically living on canned tuna and mayonnaise. That's nothing like PB.

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                      • #41
                        Bye. Please. Seriously. Either base your thoughts on actual intelligent materials or take a hike. Nobody here is going to beg you to stay or beg you to eat in any particular way. The fact of the matter is 1-you don't know what you are talking about and 2- you are already mentally checked out. So see ya. Enjoyed your whole wheat bread and boiled chicken breasts. Maybe cook them in canola oil for a real healthy kick! Idiot...

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by peril View Post
                          He's not a shit stirrer. He's genuinely someone who tried but never really accepted the approach. I've been corresponding privately with him. The force was not strong enough in this one. A pity, because the CW advice he is getting (each six times per day, don't eat saturated fats) will not serve him well
                          I just checked the online definition of passive-aggressive-behavior.

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                          • #43
                            And for you, the "actual intelligent materials" come from someone called Mark Sisson. Thanks - good luck to you too.
                            I posted this thread (read my OP) for people who might be in similar circumstances. I didn't come here for comfort.

                            Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                            Bye. Please. Seriously. Either base your thoughts on actual intelligent materials or take a hike. Nobody here is going to beg you to stay or beg you to eat in any particular way. The fact of the matter is 1-you don't know what you are talking about and 2- you are already mentally checked out. So see ya. Enjoyed your whole wheat bread and boiled chicken breasts. Maybe cook them in canola oil for a real healthy kick! Idiot...

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by faredoon View Post
                              And for you, the "actual intelligent materials" come from someone called Mark Sisson. Thanks - good luck to you too.
                              I posted this thread (read my OP) for people who might be in similar circumstances. I didn't come here for comfort.
                              You still here?

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                              • #45
                                Good luck faredoon. I hope you find something that works for you.
                                Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                                Griff's cholesterol primer
                                5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                                Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                                TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                                bloodorchid is always right

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