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  • #16
    high levels of pesticides, artificial colorings given to some, anti-biotics, etc;
    Last edited by Derpamix; 07-15-2013, 05:02 PM.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
      high levels of pesticides, artificial colorings given to some, anti-biotics, etc;
      This plus they are often fed soy pellets and are often kept in very close quarters, too many fish per cubic meter all swimming in each other's poop.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
        This plus they are often fed soy pellets and are often kept in very close quarters, too many fish per cubic meter all swimming in each other's poop.
        Yup. Tilapia are usually raised in water that's riddled with farmed salmon soy/corn poop. Never ever eat tilapia.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
          high levels of pesticides, artificial colorings given to some, anti-biotics, etc;
          Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
          This plus they are often fed soy pellets and are often kept in very close quarters, too many fish per cubic meter all swimming in each other's poop.
          Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
          Yup. Tilapia are usually raised in water that's riddled with farmed salmon soy/corn poop. Never ever eat tilapia.
          Even though I haven't eaten tilapia in a couple of years since it became the darling of the lowfat set, and then stupidly pricey for a bottom feeding white fish, all of that almost made me throw up a little in my mouth.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
            Even though I haven't eaten tilapia in a couple of years since it became the darling of the lowfat set, and then stupidly pricey for a bottom feeding white fish, all of that almost made me throw up a little in my mouth.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
              From this guest post in the blog: What You Should Know About Beef Production Claims | Mark's Daily Apple (about a third way down the page)



              Just an FYI. I thought there was a difference also.
              According to Whole Paycheck there is a difference. Grass fed beef is often fed grain at the end either because of weather or because of the desire to put weight/fat on the animal. Grass finished is 100% grass fed and never given grain. Have you not noticed a difference in price?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by oceangrl View Post
                According to Whole Paycheck there is a difference. Grass fed beef is often fed grain at the end either because of weather or because of the desire to put weight/fat on the animal. Grass finished is 100% grass fed and never given grain. Have you not noticed a difference in price?

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                Well, I guess someone is wrong - either the guest poster, or Whole Foods. I'll go see if I can find the definition on the USDA website.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                  Well, I guess someone is wrong - either the guest poster, or Whole Foods. I'll go see if I can find the definition on the USDA website.
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                  • #24
                    From here: Agricultural Marketing Service - Grass Fed Marketing Claim Standards

                    Grass Fed Marketing Claim Standards
                    Claim and Standard:


                    Grass (Forage) Fed – Grass and forage shall be the feed source consumed for the lifetime of the ruminant animal, with the exception of milk consumed prior to weaning. The diet shall be derived solely from forage consisting of grass (annual and perennial), forbs (e.g., legumes, Brassica), browse, or cereal grain crops in the vegetative (pre-grain) state. Animals cannot be fed grain or grain byproducts and must have continuous access to pasture during the growing season. Hay, haylage, baleage, silage, crop residue without grain, and other roughage sources may also be included as acceptable feed sources. Routine mineral and vitamin supplementation may also be included in the feeding regimen. If incidental supplementation occurs due to inadvertent exposure to non-forage feedstuffs or to ensure the animal’s well being at all times during adverse environmental or physical conditions, the producer must fully document (e.g., receipts, ingredients, and tear tags) the supplementation that occurs including the amount, the frequency, and the supplements provided.


                    Grass (Forage) Fed Marketing Claim Standard (October 16, 2007, Federal Register Notice (72 FR 58631)) - PDF
                    Which looks to me like Wholefoods may be playing fast and loose with marketing terms. Or maybe one Wholefoods is. Each store is only as good as its weakest link. There was that small fuffle when WF was training its employees by telling them there were no GMOs in anything they carry.
                    Last edited by JoanieL; 07-16-2013, 06:21 AM.
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                    • #25
                      Chicken - Gerber brand, a local Amish country company
                      Fish - whole frozen (not skinned or definned or anything) from an Asian grocery in the city, because I can't otherwise find fish with the skins/bones anywhere in three counties down here unless I go fishing and actually manage to catch anything (hah! Exercise in futility, that)
                      Pork - probably CAFO, as it isn't marked as anything else, but from a small-town grocery known for getting in nice meats. I have to admit, they do. No wetness, no plastic bags or trays - butcher paper.
                      Beef - CAFO

                      Working on awareness with the family on food issues, like why in the hell would I want beef imported from a foreign country when the locals raise their own, albeit grain-fed?! So my first issue is "local". Then I will worry about grass-fed, although I do splurge and buy a pound or two here and there from a huge health food store way up by Cleveland (not Whole Foods, it is a family-owned local thing) when I am up that way, just to keep that taste alive.

                      I have the land and location for animals, but I guess I am a lazy snot - after a long day with my special-needs kid, commuting to therapy, and the three others, I just don't want to hafta go wrangle goats and pigs when all I want is a quiet night. The thought of building all that fencing on our only-hilly, all-wooded acres in itself just sounds exhausting. My SIL got two pigs a couple of years back, and all they did was escape and shit in their water. She really worked for that pork that year!

                      Excuses, excuses.
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                      • #26
                        I rarely eat out anymore, and when I do, it's usually seafood or vegetarian. No restaurant makes a tastier burger than I do.
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                        • #27
                          i buy local half cow and only eat that unless i am on vacation...

                          I went to Rioz in Myrtle beach for the all you could eat Beef Buffet... about 50$ a plate but well worth it...
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                          • #28
                            Being in the wasteland that is Las Vegas, here is what I do:

                            Beef- We get grass-fed brought down from a farm in Utah about once every quarter or so, cost is ~$5/lb. Also, my local Sprouts has a small section of grass-fed beef that I will buy when the price is good. Occasionally get CAFO, but making a serious effort to cut that out entirely. I'm fortunate that our household is just me and my SO, so the costs are kept reasonable.

                            Pork- Just found a different farm in Utah that will be bringing a delivery of pastured pork down next week, yay! A friend and I are splitting the cost of a half-pig. Should be about $5/lb. Excited to see how the flavor is.

                            Chicken- This is the toughest. Pastured chicken is so expensive. Sprouts has organic chicken that I try to get when it is on sale, other than that we mostly use boneless/skinless breasts.

                            Fish- I will get wild salmon when it is on sale, we don't eat much other fish. Shrimp I look for bagged and frozen, that is usually the best deal.

                            We do eat out more than we should, but c'est la vie.

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                            • #29
                              My around the corner grocery store now offers 100% grass-fed ground lean beef from some ranch in Colorado as well as ground buffalo, both very affordable especially considering I don't eat much meat these days.
                              For grilling steak or when dining out I usually get lean cut of beef. Fish - wild caught.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                                Shrimp, I don't care. Farmed is the same as wild.
                                Really?
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