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  • #16
    Originally posted by Goosefeather View Post
    It was a double edged sword for me - initially i joined weightwatchers, then slimming world to lose weight, but they didnt care much for diabetcs, just my weekly cash injection. I failed to lose weight and my insulin spikes were all over the place. I had an idea, but researched the science behind insulin and weight gain and decided to go it alone, and after some reading on diabetes uk webby, came to MDA. So i guess, initially i wanted to lose weight but more importantly, regulate my bloods. But after i began the primal journey, it became a way of life.

    In answer to your question, YogaBear, i do eat my carbs at night - generally eggs and ham or bacon for breaky if im not IFing, meat and dairy for lunch then carbs of a nighttime with meat of some sort.
    What kind of carbs do you eat at night?

    Also, I'm not an expert on diabetes, but isn't there a big difference between the effect of fruit versus starch on your blood sugar?
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Goosefeather View Post
      Thanks for the tips dkJames - i will certainly look into this.
      Go to freetheanimal.com and read everything you can about RS including comments. There is one guy in particular nicknamed "tatertot" who has written A LOT of info about it in the comment section of all RS related articles. One guy recently added some info about cinnamon. It is really well studied actually and every diabetic should know this!

      EDIT: here is the cinnamon study -> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14633804
      Last edited by dkJames; 07-11-2013, 05:26 AM.

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      • #18
        I found eating a serving or two of starch with dinner is what helps me sleep. Fruit or sugar does not have that effect, nor does starch with lunch - which made it worse, because eating starch at lunch tended to be followed by a low carb evening meal.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
          I found eating a serving or two of starch with dinner is what helps me sleep
          Even if I don't eat normal starch, if I supplement with resistant starch (and it can get dirt cheap, just buy Bob's Red Mill unmodified raw potato starch, mix 3 Tbsp with water and drink like 30mn before going to bed - it tastes somewhere between bland and bad), I get much better sleep! ... and very vivid dream as well ...

          The thing about RS is that it must not be heated above 150 F or it will be destroyed. Green bananas and plantains contain a good deal of it as well. Beans as well but I wouldn't eat beans every day. Cooked and cooled potatoes have some RS but not as much as the raw stuff.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
            I found eating a serving or two of starch with dinner is what helps me sleep. Fruit or sugar does not have that effect, nor does starch with lunch - which made it worse, because eating starch at lunch tended to be followed by a low carb evening meal.
            My theory on this is that one serving of starch gives you probably three times more sugar than one serving of fruit. One large potato is worth practically one whole, large cantaloupe melon! Most people wouldn't go for that much fruit because to keep total calories in check means you probably have to forfeit "complete meals".
            Last edited by YogaBare; 07-11-2013, 06:04 AM.
            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

            - Ray Peat

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            • #21
              Originally posted by dkJames View Post
              Go to freetheanimal.com and read everything you can about RS including comments. There is one guy in particular nicknamed "tatertot" who has written A LOT of info about it in the comment section of all RS related articles. One guy recently added some info about cinnamon. It is really well studied actually and every diabetic should know this!

              EDIT: here is the cinnamon study -> Cinnamon improves glucose and lipids of people... [Diabetes Care. 2003] - PubMed - NCBI
              Thanks for the info dkJames! I have looked into RS too much, but I believe there's something to it. Starch doesn't appear to be my friend, but I can eat sushi just fine, and I hypothesised it's cos' of the RS aspect.
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • #22
                Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                Thanks for the info dkJames! I have looked into RS too much, but I believe there's something to it. Starch doesn't appear to be my friend, but I can eat sushi just fine, and I hypothesised it's cos' of the RS aspect.
                Yes, cooked and cooled rice has more RS but from what I read, it depends on the rice type and cooking method ... it almost impossible to easily measure how much RS a food contain. Buckwheat flour also has RS. The type you find in raw food is RS2. The cooked and cooled one is RS3 (retrograded RS2). You have quite less RS3 but if you keep cooking and cooling some potatoes or rice, you slowly increase the amount of RS3. I mean: raw food is very often unpalatable and even toxic so RS3 is maybe the safest thing to eat (apart from green bananas / plantains high in RS2).

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                  My theory on this is that one serving of starch gives you probably three times more sugar than one serving of fruit. One large potato is worth practically one whole, large cantaloupe melon! Most people wouldn't go for that much fruit because to keep total calories in check means you probably have to forfeit "complete meals".
                  I recognize that in theory starch and sugar are digested the same. But we're not talking tiny servings of fruit vs large portions of potato. It was sometimes quite a lot of fruit (and ice cream). I intend to explore this further in the future.

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                  • #24
                    Just eat some raw potatoes.

                    Try adaptogens. I haven't had trouble sleeping since I started taking rhodiola! But my problem is different from yours. My problem is that I can't fall asleep sometimes. I don't usually wake up in the middle of the night, unable to go back to sleep. However, that has happened to me in the past, usually when I'm really anxious (like the night before a law-school exam during my first semester in law school--I think it was the pressure of knowing that your entire grade is going to be determined by the one exam). I bet adaptogens would help with that too.

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                    • #25
                      Thanks for all the suggestions.

                      Had noodles with dinner last night and slept most soundly

                      Not sure raw potatoes will be a taste sensation! heheheh
                      6'6" male

                      SW: 286lbs/130kg/20st 8lbs
                      CW: 281 lbs/127.7kg/20st 1lb
                      TW:216lbs/98kg/15st 6lbs

                      "...he didn't slam you, he didn't bump you, he didn't nudge you... he *rubbed* you. And rubbin, son, is racin'."

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Goosefeather View Post
                        Had noodles with dinner last night and slept most soundly
                        Congrats on your improved sleep. Just by curiosity, what kind of noodles were they ? rice ? shirataki ? glass noodles ?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Goosefeather View Post
                          Had noodles with dinner last night and slept most soundly
                          Congrats on your improved sleep. Just by curiosity, what kind of noodles were they ? rice ? shirataki ? glass noodles ?

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                          • #28
                            not sure really as it was in a thai restaurant, so whatever Pad Tae noodles are
                            6'6" male

                            SW: 286lbs/130kg/20st 8lbs
                            CW: 281 lbs/127.7kg/20st 1lb
                            TW:216lbs/98kg/15st 6lbs

                            "...he didn't slam you, he didn't bump you, he didn't nudge you... he *rubbed* you. And rubbin, son, is racin'."

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