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    Hi,

    my girlfriend and I are trying to follow paleo principles for a few years now with occasional slips and pauses. Her problem has since her puberty been weight. She wants to be thin and sexy and I try to explain her she's curvy and sexy and that I like that. Man, the media can really ruin one's self confidence, though one rarely admits that.

    At the end of last year she tried to really minimize carbs and so she managed to lose quite a bit of her weight (went from 70+ Kg ~ 154 lbs down to 57 Kg ~ 128 lbs). In january she had her last period and haven't had one since than. I tried to convince her to eat more carbs but now she's so used to low carb she only manages to eat 1 or 2 pieces of fruit per day and some chocolate here and there. Or even some sweet stuff from bakery and icecream in the evenings once a month on average when she can't really control her will. Probably something to do with her whacked hormones I guess. It's hard for her to understand all this I think because she's reading all those success stories and fully believes this lifestyle is the right one to look up to. I've always been a bit of a skeptic myself but at the moment I too believe paleo is OK - BUT you have to adjust it according to YOUR body because obviously we're not made the same. I eat a lot more and also in the evenings and I'm quite fit, she can't afford to really eat in the evenings. For example.

    She went to her gynecologist and everything seem to be ok down there except she has very dry vagina (needles to say sex is too painful at this point to even consider it, even if there was "a need"). Also her inner tube or something is very small and I remember hitting something back in the day when we would still do it. Before that, even before paleo, in the beginning of our relationship she was very wet when needed and also had very heavy and painful periods. The gynecologist just shrugged her shoulders and suggested checking some three thyroid hormones but that seems to be fine too. It's hard to convince her (women!? ) to eat more carbs. One apple and one banana for example is enough for her for the whole day, the rest is mostly meat, vegetables and salads.

    What do you suggest?

  • #2
    It's not specifically carbs. It's a combination of not enough calories and not enough fat.

    Get her to eat more fat. Researchers studying female athletes with amennorhea say that eating only a couple more egg yolks each day can be the difference between getting periods back or not.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
      It's not specifically carbs. It's a combination of not enough calories and not enough fat.

      Get her to eat more fat. Researchers studying female athletes with amennorhea say that eating only a couple more egg yolks each day can be the difference between getting periods back or not.
      I remember I read this once! Does it matter what kind of fat it is? We use coconut oil almost exclusively for primal treats and olive oil for cooking meat and vegetables.

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      • #4
        Do you not eat eggs for some reason? I suggest adding a couple of eggs a day to her diet. Egg yolks are very nourishing.

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        • #5
          We eat eggs as omelettes sometimes (we used to almost every morning) and include it in primal variants of pancakes or cookies.

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          • #6
            Try to go back to more breakfast omelettes without actually telling her you are trying to get her carbs up. Yes, it's sneaky but this type of symptom also means her bones are being affected - osteoporosis is the next result of long term period pauses. It is vital she gets a bit more balanced in her diet before permanent damage is done. Good for you for being concerned.
            Odille
            F 58 / 170cms / SW 131.5 kgs / Current 112.4/ GW 65
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            • #7
              From what I understand, losing a period (secondary amenorrhea) is due to nutrition deficiencies (including insufficient caloric intake), low levels of body fat, and/or excessive exercise (assuming it is diet/fitness related). I also lost my period about 2.5 years ago, and I haven't gotten it back, but mine is likely due to low body fat. Even after maintaining a diet of 2000+ calories with at least 30% fat for a few months, nothing has happened. I've lost my period in the past and it didn't return until I'd gained fat.

              Tell her to up her calories. Eat more. Carbs, fat, protein, whatever. Find a better gynecologist. And if it doesn't come back within a few months, she probably needs to regain some of the weight she lost.
              "Humans do have a knack of choosing precisely those things that are worst for them" -
              Albus Dumbledore

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              • #8
                Also, just wanted to add that it is very possible to be primal and have anorexia. Check out the symptoms on the National Eating Disorders Association website and see if she displays any of them. If so, she really should meet with a therapist/psychologist/psychiatrist.
                "Humans do have a knack of choosing precisely those things that are worst for them" -
                Albus Dumbledore

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                • #9
                  Thyroid (hypothyroid) can cause that.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Analog6 View Post
                    Try to go back to more breakfast omelettes without actually telling her you are trying to get her carbs up. Yes, it's sneaky but this type of symptom also means her bones are being affected - osteoporosis is the next result of long term period pauses. It is vital she gets a bit more balanced in her diet before permanent damage is done. Good for you for being concerned.
                    Osteoporosis at 28?? I will probably show her this thread, because sometimes it's easier/better for her to hear advice from others as well.

                    Originally posted by erin_noel View Post
                    From what I understand, losing a period (secondary amenorrhea) is due to nutrition deficiencies (including insufficient caloric intake), low levels of body fat, and/or excessive exercise (assuming it is diet/fitness related). I also lost my period about 2.5 years ago, and I haven't gotten it back, but mine is likely due to low body fat. Even after maintaining a diet of 2000+ calories with at least 30% fat for a few months, nothing has happened. I've lost my period in the past and it didn't return until I'd gained fat.

                    Tell her to up her calories. Eat more. Carbs, fat, protein, whatever. Find a better gynecologist. And if it doesn't come back within a few months, she probably needs to regain some of the weight she lost.
                    I don't get it - have you got your period back or not, do you have it now? I forgot to mention her weight, I guess it's around 170 cms ~ 5.6 feet. She doesn't have low body fat, she's not exercising too much and I actually think she eats enough. Sometimes she skips breakfast and dinner but I don't think she's really hungry all the time. I don't know, maybe her body really needs more but she's afraid she's gonna gain again. Up and down all year round. Convince a woman it's better to be overweight than to have amenorrhea...

                    Originally posted by erin_noel View Post
                    Also, just wanted to add that it is very possible to be primal and have anorexia. Check out the symptoms on the National Eating Disorders Association website and see if she displays any of them. If so, she really should meet with a therapist/psychologist/psychiatrist.
                    No sign of anorexia here, she like to eat (she just has to watch what and when), weighs enough and is not skinny.

                    Originally posted by umm7 View Post
                    Thyroid (hypothyroid) can cause that.
                    Already tested, thyroid seem OK.

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                    • #11
                      She may need to gain weight, plain and simple. Even 5 lbs could change everything.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jst View Post
                        I don't get it - have you got your period back or not, do you have it now?
                        I don't have it now (I lost it once before in the past and it came when I gained weight, but I lost weight again and lost it again) and according to a DEXA bone density scan, my bone density is already lower than expected. I'm not 28 yet, but osteoporosis at 28 is a very real possibility.

                        Best of luck to you guys.
                        "Humans do have a knack of choosing precisely those things that are worst for them" -
                        Albus Dumbledore

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                        • #13
                          It varies, of course, I'm smaller than your gf and even at my smallest when I was younger I had my period regularly. Osteoporosīs and infertility is a real problem when it comes to amenorrhea so if you guys want a family one day that might be enough to induce her to eat some carbs. She might not gain weight at all, I eat more than 200g carbs every day myself from fruits and vegetable.
                          F 28/5'4/100 lbs

                          "I'm not a psychopath, I'm a high-functioning sociopath; do your research."

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                          • #14
                            True, changing her macronutrient profile may not lead to weight gain, but still have a positive result on her hormones.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by zoebird View Post
                              She may need to gain weight, plain and simple. Even 5 lbs could change everything.
                              OK, I hope she won't need to.

                              Originally posted by erin_noel View Post
                              I don't have it now (I lost it once before in the past and it came when I gained weight, but I lost weight again and lost it again) and according to a DEXA bone density scan, my bone density is already lower than expected. I'm not 28 yet, but osteoporosis at 28 is a very real possibility.

                              Best of luck to you guys.
                              Thanks.

                              Originally posted by Damiana View Post
                              It varies, of course, I'm smaller than your gf and even at my smallest when I was younger I had my period regularly. Osteoporosīs and infertility is a real problem when it comes to amenorrhea so if you guys want a family one day that might be enough to induce her to eat some carbs. She might not gain weight at all, I eat more than 200g carbs every day myself from fruits and vegetable.
                              Originally posted by zoebird View Post
                              True, changing her macronutrient profile may not lead to weight gain, but still have a positive result on her hormones.
                              That's good news. Thank you both.

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