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  • #31
    Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
    Seriously, something is only a disease if people are addicted to the cause by all standards? Better drop 99% of diseases then. No point in treating cancer if it's not an addiction.
    All (serious) addictions are diseases, but not all diseases are addictions! Got it eKathrine? If not, then go back to the class-rom or read some more of your logic curriculum...
    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

    - Schopenhauer

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    • #32
      I would like to exit the race at this juncture. Humanity has devolved into a self-defeating pile of adipose tissue that believes everything supposed authority figures say.


      "The FDA must know what they are talking about! You are nuts for eating all that fat!" - Fat, unhealthy American
      The above should be viewed as complete and utter nonsense.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
        They would operate on everyone who was overweight if somebody would pick up the tab.
        This. Bad biscuits make the baker broke, bro.
        The above should be viewed as complete and utter nonsense.

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        • #34
          +1!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
            Alcoholism is addiction to alcohol, some mental disorder(s) underlying it, but not all obese persons are addicted to food or have a mental disorder that makes them overeat…
            Alas there you have missed some correlated data

            same pathways, different addictions.

            all roads lead to the hypothalamus
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Zach View Post
              Well we live in a sad society of lazy sheeple who would rather live a comfortable disease riddled lifestyle then take responsibility of their own actions and do something about it. Im not sad at all for these people, i am sad though for all the children who are raised by these people and are given a life sentence without a chance or even a say.
              QFMFT!!!!

              today abuse is all about imposing your choice to be ignorant upon the helpless
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              • #37
                Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                I don't think it's as easy and cynical as that. Years ago I was diagnosed with major depression. Before that diagnosis, I could at least believe that I was simply having a bad day (lots of them, actually) and that I wasn't trying hard enough and that it was just me being a loser. The diagnosis was humiliating. Wow, you mean I'm mentally ill? That was really hard to accept. I worked with mentally ill people, I wasn't one of them. Anyway, I took the pills and went to therapy and started to feel better. I don't take pills anymore and have no depression at all anymore.

                So giving someone a diagnosis might make them accept treatment and follow a healthier diet. Even a healthy CW diet will help some people. And maybe some of them will find their way here.
                I stumbled onto cashews.. between those and NLP techniques i corrected my issues in that department.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                  +1 Whether addiction as defined by some "authority" or not, one makes a conscious choice as to what one puts in one's mouth......
                  HFCS laced tea for instance..... i brewed it myself

                  or maybe these healthy granola snacks

                  or perhaps the low fat half and half for your coffee


                  JoanieL YOU make a conscious decision on what to stuff in your cake hole.... 98.76352% of the world does not
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                    Alcoholism is addiction to alcohol, some mental disorder(s) underlying it, but not all obese persons are addicted to food or have a mental disorder that makes them overeat…
                    Originally posted by quelsen View Post
                    Alas there you have missed some correlated data

                    same pathways, different addictions.

                    all roads lead to the hypothalamus
                    Do you say that ALL fat or obese persons have an addiction to food or have an mental disorder that makes them overeat?
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                      Do you say that ALL fat or obese persons have an addiction to food or have an mental disorder that makes them overeat?
                      my position is that ALL humans who exceed specified parameters of health are sick.

                      as i understand the human anatomy "obesity" is at best a seasonal condition and one which should not last past the season (winter specifically)..

                      However. we are not seeing that. what we are seeing is human carrying this weight over months and years and decades... it should not happen and it does not happen in individuals who's pathways operate properly.

                      DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND ME....<read my siggy>

                      YOUR PROBLEM, YOUR RESPONSIBILITY

                      many people lack the desire or the knowledge to effect change. I will totally concede the point that those who lack the desire deserve the evolutionary exit, however we cant know who they are from here...

                      as to why they are broke... it is in one of 3 places.
                      1. Malfunctioning DNA.
                      2. HPA Axis Failure,
                      3.Compromised Digestive tract.

                      cant do a damned thing about #1 but adapt to your issue for the rest of your life, it is a death sentence, but so it life

                      2&3 can be healed to a greater or lesser degree. and both take a measure of discipline which are sadly lacking basically due to 2&3

                      there but for the grace of god go I

                      fix the brain, fix the gut, you are 90% of the way there
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by quelsen View Post
                        my position is that ALL humans who exceed specified parameters of health are sick.

                        as i understand the human anatomy "obesity" is at best a seasonal condition and one which should not last past the season (winter specifically)..

                        However. we are not seeing that. what we are seeing is human carrying this weight over months and years and decades... it should not happen and it does not happen in individuals who's pathways operate properly.
                        But in many families people just seem to overeat due to costume or bad habits, all the family members are overweight, even their pets are overfed! This is not the same as a mental disorder; it’s just ignorance about healthy food or generally bad eating habits! Of course lots of obese people have an eating addiction similar to alcoholism, but in my view it is not enough to classify obesity as a disease without a diagnosis about WHAT causes the obesity…
                        "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                          But in many families people just seem to overeat due to costume or bad habits, all the family members are overweight, even their pets are overfed! This is not the same as a mental disorder; it’s just ignorance about healthy food or generally bad eating habits! Of course lots of obese people have an eating addiction similar to alcoholism, but in my view it is not enough to classify obesity as a disease without a diagnosis about WHAT causes the obesity…
                          i feel you, it is complicated and simple at the same time.

                          i feel you cant look at the masses for answers.

                          if an entire family is overweight then WHY do they eat what they eat. mostly ignorance and selfishness....

                          I know a may who refuses to spend for food. as a result i have watched his whole family "grow" over the last decade two reasonably health adults turned into bloated whales all because of the value menu (at least 50 -60 pounds each)... He is a standard American who (according to the BLS data) spends 125$ a month on food for a family of 4... (I still marvel at that since it supposedly includes ALL foods eaten)

                          Americans spend 8% of their net on food. Europe spends 20% there is where your social component is
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by quelsen View Post
                            JoanieL YOU make a conscious decision on what to stuff in your cake hole.... 98.76352% of the world does not
                            Quelsen, what I'm saying is that eating (or drinking or ingesting a drug) isn't passive. I believe in addiction. I don't believe it's a disease. MS, Cerebral Palsy, Muscular Dystrophy, Cancer, etc. - all diseases by just my definition because no negative behavior is required by the patient to get these diseases. And sometimes, no positive behavior can cure it.

                            Yes, we have been fed a line of shit, and I believe that greed has poisoned our food supply so badly that some of us are addicted and some of us binge, just the way someone is addicted to the numbness of alcohol even when using it hurts them physically and/or hurts everyone around them. But because there is a behavioral component, I wish the medical community would make a new category. Addiction is horrible and it's horrendous to try to overcome - I'm not denying its power. And I actually think food addictions may be tougher to overcome than drugs or alcohol. You can quit drugs or alcohol forever. You can't quit eating forever. Ask a sober alcoholic if they'd like to test their sobriety with a social outing like a wine tasting. Well, imo, that wine tasting is what food addicts face every day for the rest of their lives.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                              Quelsen, what I'm saying is that eating (or drinking or ingesting a drug) isn't passive. I believe in addiction. I don't believe it's a disease. MS, Cerebral Palsy, Muscular Dystrophy, Cancer, etc. - all diseases by just my definition because no negative behavior is required by the patient to get these diseases. And sometimes, no positive behavior can cure it.

                              Yes, we have been fed a line of shit, and I believe that greed has poisoned our food supply so badly that some of us are addicted and some of us binge, just the way someone is addicted to the numbness of alcohol even when using it hurts them physically and/or hurts everyone around them. But because there is a behavioral component, I wish the medical community would make a new category. Addiction is horrible and it's horrendous to try to overcome - I'm not denying its power. And I actually think food addictions may be tougher to overcome than drugs or alcohol. You can quit drugs or alcohol forever. You can't quit eating forever. Ask a sober alcoholic if they'd like to test their sobriety with a social outing like a wine tasting. Well, imo, that wine tasting is what food addicts face every day for the rest of their lives.
                              well put.

                              would we call it a disease if it didnt make you overweight?

                              i know many people who eat the grocery store and never gain weight.
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                              • #45
                                spends 125$ a month on food for a family of 4...
                                Is that right or do you mean he spends $125 on grocery food PLUS extra on eating out?

                                The 2012 BLS expenditure survey has the average at $320 a month for food eaten at home and $218 for food away from home.

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