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  • #16
    Neckhammer and EIG, re: people owning diseases once diagnosed:

    Amen! The most loathsome people, I find, are the ones that almost brag about this or that deformity, or family relation to someone with some malady. The worst, in my experience, are autism and breast cancer people. Typically they talk about it from the gullet under their throat, in a shaky, hostile, channeled, not-their-own voice, with a twisted sort of face of sadistic satisfaction.

    Then there's the digestive issue people- I have met so many people with IBS, and I know because for some reason, evidently IBS people love announcing and describing their condition to people. It has me convinced that IBS is made up, and is implanted by a doctor's hypnosis. Such is the conviction and desperate emotional investment with which its sufferers speak of it.
    "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

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    • #17
      Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
      If you can call alcoholism a disease, why not obesity?
      Too true. Personally I think it's all a ploy to get the insurance companies to pay for stuff.
      Out of context quote for the day:

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
        Alcoholism is addiction to alcohol, some mental disorder(s) underlying it, but not all obese persons are addicted to food or have a mental disorder that makes them overeat…
        I would guess its 99%. IMO, the reluctance to recognize the addictive qualities of processed foods and the twisted way so many women view food in the Western world, is responsible for millions not being able to face up to why they're fat. Gluttony and sloth are actually easier to accept in our puritanical culture.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Finnegans Wake
          It would be terribly cynical of me to suggest that this is just another ploy pushed through by Big Pharma to sell lots and lots more pills.

          Mr. Wake? The dispenser will see you now...
          That was my first thought. Oh boy, now they can patent and prescribe a pill for it.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
            That and you ever notice how people take ownership of a disease once they are told about it? "Well my obesity is just acting up today".
            I don't think it's as easy and cynical as that. Years ago I was diagnosed with major depression. Before that diagnosis, I could at least believe that I was simply having a bad day (lots of them, actually) and that I wasn't trying hard enough and that it was just me being a loser. The diagnosis was humiliating. Wow, you mean I'm mentally ill? That was really hard to accept. I worked with mentally ill people, I wasn't one of them. Anyway, I took the pills and went to therapy and started to feel better. I don't take pills anymore and have no depression at all anymore.

            So giving someone a diagnosis might make them accept treatment and follow a healthier diet. Even a healthy CW diet will help some people. And maybe some of them will find their way here.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by Zach View Post
              Well we live in a sad society of lazy sheeple who would rather live a comfortable disease riddled lifestyle then take responsibility of their own actions and do something about it.
              I think the take responsibility element is a big part of this. If obesity is diagnosed as a disease, then people will throw up their hands and shirk any responsibility for their physical condition since "I have a disease, see, here is the medication my doctor is giving me for it".

              This is symptomatic of US culture in general. A large portion of Americans don't want to take responsibility for their actions. Use a tool in the wrong way and get hurt? Sue the company that made the tool because it was not labeled in how not to use it and didn't have enough safeguards to idiotproof.

              Americans are told almost daily that whatever is wrong with them mentally, physically and emotionally, is not their fault. They have a disease or disorder.

              There are diseases and disorders out there that are beyond the persons' capability to deal with without drugs and surgery but, IMHO, they are the minority.

              Blame obesity on the FDA, AMA, CIA or DEA but at the end of the day, the only cure is to lose the fat. Calling it a disease and throwing drugs and surgery at it is not a cure, it is a highly profitable treatment of signs and symptoms.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Finnegans Wake
                It would be terribly cynical of me to suggest that this is just another ploy pushed through by Big Pharma to sell lots and lots more pills.

                Mr. Wake? The dispenser will see you now...
                +1

                The next step, now that it's labeled, it can have a billing code at the Dr., which then allows health insurance to deem you as a "pre existing condition" and now you are not only unhire-able but whoops, no coverage for you.

                Then they won't have to admit to all the purposeful, addictive, market-tested-up-the-whazoo treats the franken-food industry has designed to emulate natures way of creating food as a drug. There was a guy on 60 min. last year who admitted this, showed how it was done. I wondered after the story, why didn't they show that food industry guys pantry in his home? I bet it didn't have the doritos he invented....
                Last edited by spk; 06-19-2013, 11:50 PM.

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                • #23
                  The next step, now that it's labeled, it can have a billing code at the Dr., which then allows health insurance to deem you as a "pre existing condition" and now you are not only unhire-able but whoops, no coverage for you.
                  Not any more unless they repeal Obamacare.

                  Blame obesity on the FDA, AMA, CIA or DEA but at the end of the day, the only cure is to lose the fat. Calling it a disease and throwing drugs and surgery at it is not a cure, it is a highly profitable treatment of signs and symptoms.
                  The downside is that the treatments most promoted in the US- Low Fat/Whole Grain/Lots of Cardio are a trifecta of shit that doesn't work for a lot of people. I feel like I beat this topic to death on another topic. But let's just say per the medical establishment:
                  The food I eat today will make me fat (I've lost some odd 40lbs)
                  The food I ate back when I was obese was PERFECTION (I just stayed fat despite probably 8-10 hours of cardio a week).

                  So, I set myself up for failure and blamed myself for not working hard enough. The only thing I did wrong was keep following the insipid program promoted by every "authority" in the US.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
                    If you can call alcoholism a disease, why not obesity?
                    THAT was the beginning of the end.
                    Wheat is the new tobacco. Spread the word.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                      Alcoholism is addiction to alcohol, some mental disorder(s) underlying it, but not all obese persons are addicted to food or have a mental disorder that makes them overeat…
                      Originally posted by LauraSB View Post
                      I would guess its 99%.
                      Maybe if you are morbidly obese, but often people are obese because of bad habits within the family. The parents are fat or obese, their kids are fat and even their pets, cats and dogs are fat…
                      "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                      - Schopenhauer

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                        So giving someone a diagnosis might make them accept treatment and follow a healthier diet. Even a healthy CW diet will help some people. And maybe some of them will find their way here.
                        I sincerely hope you are right.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
                          If you can call alcoholism a disease, why not obesity?
                          +1 Whether addiction as defined by some "authority" or not, one makes a conscious choice as to what one puts in one's mouth.

                          If drug/alcohol rehab is covered by insurance, I see no reason why fat farms and other treatments for obesity shouldn't be covered.
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                          • #28
                            Seriously, something is only a disease if people are addicted to the cause by all standards? Better drop 99% of diseases then. No point in treating cancer if it's not an addiction.

                            I think it was the surgeons who wanted this most.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
                              even more than pills is the burgeoning industry in gastric bypass/sleeve/etc. kinds of surgeries. insurance will pay now and hospitals make lots of money off it.
                              My wife is a nurse on the bariatric unit of a hospital. She says patients have always come in for surgery with the diagnosis of "morbidly obesity". So I don't know how much of a change this will have there.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                                My wife is a nurse on the bariatric unit of a hospital. She says patients have always come in for surgery with the diagnosis of "morbidly obesity". So I don't know how much of a change this will have there.
                                I have seen surgeons express the opinion that 50 pounds overweight ought to be the threshold for surgery. They would operate on everyone who was overweight if somebody would pick up the tab.

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