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  • One flaw in this argument maybe is the fact that all kinds of societies are different, not just from each other, but different from time to time according to what individuals compose it.

    It probably has everything to do with who in a given tribe at a given time had what dominance of appetites and ego and what powers over other people around them. In some tribes, there would be gynocratic, matriarchal amazonian women whose build-up of legitimacy, skills and resource security made males kind of redundant appendages that could be traded out for status and amusement, while in that same tribe 20 years later, the amazons might all be dead or ugly with old age, and have their power replaced by a few ambitious and aggressive men intent on re-allocating their many daughters.

    What we should be talking about are the impulses at work under the surface of social expressions, and how they can be realized and expressed in a way that does not harm people or initiate violence.
    "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

    Jack london, "Before Adam"

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    • Im also gonna go right on ahead and call out David here, as a representative of so many other men I have known or with whom I have spoken online; there is no shortage of deusches who spend their time on the internet telling me how great their conquering misogynistic sex lives are and how great and happy and successful they are.

      I know though that before I was married, when I was hopping around just having fun and shit, that I was busy having fun, and wouldn't touch a computer for months at a time. Certainly I had no energy for arguments with people about why what I am doing is great and better than them. It never occured to me after rolling off of a woman, "I have to tell the forums!"
      Last edited by Mr.Perfidy; 06-21-2013, 11:33 AM.
      "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

      Jack london, "Before Adam"

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      • Yeah I dont know your economic and class situation, but its just not really advisable for women to even go places alone around here.

        but really I meant like daily hassles like bullying/harassing bosses and exes, thieving motherfucking indian merchants, and their own controlling and insane families/fathers. But I do also regularly counsel them on how to deal with a myriad of infractions, fines, incarcerations, etc.
        Yeah...middle class white girl in the US, lives in a middle class neighborhood in the Carolinas. Women don't tend to get carried off by arabs, and my family is thankfully sane.

        I think the desire of men to protect women is really an attractive characteristic. I'd have been pretty damn turned on if my husband had gone down to the car lot and punched that creepy asshole. Unfortunately, a lot of women just don't "need" men anymore. Now, I actually enjoy men and being around them far more than women. Haha, maybe it is a "form" of rescue from having to listen to the cackle of hens.

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        • Women "don't need men" because they are poorly educated (read: over-educated) and are in general failing to grasp the fastness of the approach to the abyss- if you like things like nature, food, a future, autonomy, and offspring then you need more than ever to be filling men's hearts with a violent and restless tension.
          "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

          Jack london, "Before Adam"

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          • I will kill any other Grok that touches MY Grokette (and she would do likewise). Since I can't have it both ways I will stick with monogamy.
            The above should be viewed as complete and utter nonsense.

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            • Don't you think that's like, extreme and fearful and weird? I used to think that way and be all proud of thinking that way when I was like...20? Now I often wish that another dude would make a go at her, so that she can chill the fuck out. I don't understand how many times she has to cum in a week before she loosens up.
              "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

              Jack london, "Before Adam"

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              • Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                Don't you think that's like, extreme and fearful and weird? I used to think that way and be all proud of thinking that way when I was like...20? Now I often wish that another dude would make a go at her, so that she can chill the fuck out. I don't understand how many times she has to cum in a week before she loosens up.
                Was this directed at my post? If so, I can explain...

                There is no other woman that I want as much as I want mine to NOT be with another man. She feels the same way. It works for us.

                A lot of people would say to find somebody that you can stand to be around all the time. I was lucky enough to instead find a person that I can't stand to be apart from for any length of time. If the cost to keep this is monogamy, then so be it.
                The above should be viewed as complete and utter nonsense.

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                • Was this directed at my post? If so, I can explain...

                  There is no other woman that I want as much as I want mine to NOT be with another man. She feels the same way. It works for us.
                  yeah I was talking about the murder part...lol that didn't strike you immediately as the part that I thought kinda insane?
                  "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                  Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                  • Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                    yeah I was talking about the murder part...lol that didn't strike you immediately as the part that I thought kinda insane?
                    "Murder" was not a crime in Grok's time. I was equating it that way. Attempted murder would have been more fitting I suppose.
                    The above should be viewed as complete and utter nonsense.

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                    • Originally posted by Davidil View Post
                      This is natural. Many couples who end up in therapy say something like "we became like brother and sister". It's the body's natural reaction to being intimate with one person for a long period. Your genes are telling you "enough! We want sex with someone new!" and the chemistry that you had with your partner when you just met disappears.

                      Why do you think so many married couples have sex once a month or less? Again, more proof that monogamy is unnatural. If we were monogamous we'd keep humping for the duration of the relationship as we do in the first week.
                      It proves she's married to a beta or is Unattractive, nothing more
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                      • Originally posted by aliphian View Post
                        A lot of people would say to find somebody that you can stand to be around all the time. I was lucky enough to instead find a person that I can't stand to be apart from for any length of time. If the cost to keep this is monogamy, then so be it.
                        This. Exactly how my s.o. and I feel.
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                        • Research shows that both men and women have short- and long-term strategies for mating. In addition, monogamy is not a societal compromise but is something that evolved to provide children who have long juvenile periods with biparental care that is crucial. Men and women both have psychological mechanisms to maintain monogamous relationships. However, serial monogamy or polygamy are other strategies. It all depends on individuals' internal and external environments.

                          So, if you're currently feeling like having multiple partners - great. But that doesn't mean that everyone should. Some people can be happily monogamous.
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                          • "Serial monogamy" is euphemism. If I change partners every week, am I a serial monogamist? Its a bullshit gray zone.

                            It's just a euphemism used to conceal our NON monogamous nature. If we were monogamous we'd mate for life, like pigeons.

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                            • Originally posted by Davidil View Post
                              "Serial monogamy" is euphemism. If I change partners every week, am I a serial monogamist? Its a bullshit gray zone.

                              It's just a euphemism used to conceal our NON monogamous nature. If we were monogamous we'd mate for life, like pigeons.
                              Scientific study has revealed that nearly every animal once thought to be strictly monogamous is actually... not really.
                              There are a select few that are still thought to be mostly monogamous with some exceptions, but for the most part it's the same as humans where it's a gradient.

                              Both we and the animals do what functions best at the time.
                              A female bluebird may well pick the niftiest nest builder, a male bird who is a little older and has more experience... but then take an opportunity to also grab some genes from a bird that is in peak health if she can.
                              Her nest will have eggs from both most likely. And it's in her interest not to devote all of her eggs to one genetic basket.
                              Same for guys in the evolutionary game... there were reasons for both sides.
                              However. Those points are moot since we are now actively working to prevent that scenario in the human case.

                              Most Americans actually go through what is a very natural progression of sexual periods from sexual experimentation in their youth which may include hooking up and such, to then having some steady trial partners that last a little time but are not serious, to longer term monogamous relationships lasting a year or two. These may be living separate or cohabiting, married or not. As we age we tend to form longer and more stable relationships... which (and you may find this shocking) are often very rewarding for the people in them.

                              My husband and I both had lots of sex when we were young. We didn't settle down early and we went through the progression... we both were a bit wild. I was extremely non-monogamous for a while and into kink/alternative lifestyles. Then we both had a test run long term relationship or two where we really weren't quite settled down yet, those lasted a little while longer than just dating people and fun, but not more than a couple of years. When we met we were both at the point where we knew we were ready for something different... and we've been happily married and monogamous for almost 15 years now, together over 16. Or sex life is still really good, and not "boring" at all. We still laugh and have fun and don't fight about anything really... I don't think occasionally disagreeing about things count as there is no tension or argument about that. We have pretty much the lowest stress relationship you can imagine even though we've been through some very tough things together. We are simply very happy not having sex with, or seeking sex from, other people. At a certain point in life it feels good to share love AND sex AND history AND the future. Maybe that's what makes us so happy.

                              Religion tends to try and shame people away from this natural progression because it promotes a different plan(that whole stupid celibate until marriage thing etc), yet it still happens... and has pretty much always happened.
                              I have no doubt that it's pretty damned normal for most young people to swap up partners a lot in their sexual experimentation and relationship learning processes... but I also have no doubt that it's pretty normal for most people to gravitate to one on one relationships as they mature. I'm not saying all of those are going to last "forever"... just that its seriously a normal thing.
                              Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule. And those people are cool too.

                              And ... No.
                              Hittin it for a week is not a relationship...
                              That's pretty obvious.
                              I don't know of anyone who would consider that "serial monogamy".
                              Last edited by cori93437; 06-24-2013, 12:49 AM.
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                              • Originally posted by Davidil View Post
                                I'm in vacation town at the moment, in Cyprus.

                                Half the girls I slept with in the last month are married or have a boyfriend.

                                Not only that I don't see any moral problem here, on the contrary, I feel like I'm doing these girls a service in helping them maintain thier relationship and live out thier fantasy.

                                Did you know that about 10% of people are born NOT from who they think thier father is? In some societies its 30%. Google it. They discovered it when they started testing people for transplants....

                                "Oh, we're sorry sir, actually your son is not yours. Your wife was banging someone from the side. Sorry! "


                                Don't take it from me. Google it.

                                Had my #76 last night... to my 100th I'll make a special badge or something. And this is in just two years. Am I looking for justification? Maybe... but it doesn't mean I'm wrong. You're also trying to justify your lifestyle.

                                Uhh, would you care to cite the study that states "10%" of people are born NOT from who they think their father is.
                                Throughout this whole thread you've done nothing but pull fake statistics out of your @ss.

                                But thank you for doing the women of a world a service by being their fantasy. Enjoy it while it lasts mate. Wait until your a saggy old man who cant get any women because your no longer anyone's fantasy, and when you find a decent women, she runs away after seeing your 'special badge' LOL

                                You come across as a massive douche bro.

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