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  • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
    Come on... Millions love Heinlein.
    Most of that list is pretty general. Average folks do that stuff every day.
    And the rest can be accomplished with very little in the way of specialized sorting out... most of it just as a matter of fun hobby stuff.
    No 'credentials' necessary.
    Of course, but that response was only one of the many times PB has gone on the defensive by mentioning her credentials. It's rather obvious at times.
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    • Originally posted by j3nn View Post
      You like to flaunt your credentials... often.
      Snippy, snippy. What I said was actually an attempt at reaching out to you because we share a common liking for Heinlein and I agree very much with the statement you quoted. You chose to interpret it as "flaunting" something. Excuse me for trying to find common ground with you.
      Last edited by Paleobird; 06-17-2013, 12:39 AM.

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      • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
        Ah, well that would explain a lot of things.

        And who said carbs were the bane of human existence? Not me.

        I rejected his OPINION as having any relevance to what I am going to do in my life. I think he didn't have as much information about the topic as we do now and might have come up with a different opinion given more facts such as those about vitamin deficiencies commonly suffered by vegetarians.
        I think you sometimes wrongly label things as opinion even when they are rooted in fact. I don't necessarily see the quote mainly as opinion, I think much of what he said can probably be proven and has been on a large anecdotal scale.

        Tesla was rumored to have relieved Twain of constipation with electricity; perhaps his expertise could have also helped your epilepsy despite it not being his main focus. I would not discount his area of science as having no relation to biology. After all, life is energy.
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        • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
          Snippy, snippy. What I said was actually an attempt at reaching out to you because we share a common liking for Heinlein and I agree very much with the statement you quoted. You chose to interpret it as "flaunting" something. Excuse me for trying to find common ground with you.
          A thread would not be complete without a virtual cat fight. We've already met the internet's criteria for mentioning Hitler, so I believe we have covered all of our bases now: carb wars, WWII, sex, steak, vegetarianism... I suppose a round of political philosophy is on deck.
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          • Originally posted by j3nn View Post
            A thread would not be complete without a virtual cat fight. We've already met the internet's criteria for mentioning Hitler, so I believe we have covered all of our bases now: carb wars, WWII, sex, steak, vegetarianism... I suppose a round of political philosophy is on deck.
            Haven't covered libertarian philosophy or vaccinations yet........

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            • Don't forget circumcisions!
              “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
              ~Friedrich Nietzsche
              And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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              • Originally posted by j3nn View Post
                I think you sometimes wrongly label things as opinion even when they are rooted in fact. I don't necessarily see the quote mainly as opinion, I think much of what he said can probably be proven and has been on a large anecdotal scale.

                Tesla was rumored to have relieved Twain of constipation with electricity; perhaps his expertise could have also helped your epilepsy despite it not being his main focus. I would not discount his area of science as having no relation to biology. After all, life is energy.
                Scared the poop right out of Mark Twain! Hah!

                His level of technical sophistication with electricity was pretty primitive and would not have helped an epileptic brain at all. That much of a zap would give me a seizure. Neurofeedback such as that Nora Gedgaudas practices might be able to help. That is something I would like to explore.

                C'mon. Believing that one shouldn't eat meat because it is "barbarous" is a statement of opinion, not fact. But I'm sure if you want lots of admiration for your Tesla quote you could always post it on a vegetarian forum.

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                • I grew up on a farm so that I was always intimately involved in the lives and deaths of the animals we ate.
                  I did not find those practices either savagely cruel or exceedingly brutal, or primitive and uncivilized in any way.

                  We cared for the animals well while they lived. We dispatch them humanely.
                  We lived cultured, modern, civilized lives before, during, and after our farm chores.

                  There is no basis for the barbarous statement.
                  “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                  ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                  And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                  • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                    I grew up on a farm so that I was always intimately involved in the lives and deaths of the animals we ate.
                    I did not find those practices either savagely cruel or exceedingly brutal, or primitive and uncivilized in any way.

                    We cared for the animals well while they lived. We dispatch them humanely.
                    We lived cultured, modern, civilized lives before, during, and after our farm chores.

                    There is no basis for the barbarous statement.
                    I eat meat because it IS barbarous! Ha!

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                    • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                      C'mon. Believing that one shouldn't eat meat because it is "barbarous" is a statement of opinion, not fact. But I'm sure if you want lots of admiration for your Tesla quote you could always post it on a vegetarian forum.
                      Yes, I agree it is opinion and irrational to not eat meat for ethical reasons if you do not value nonhuman creatures in the way you might value a human being. That is a debate that rages since the dawn of time. If I define barbarous as any act of unprovoked aggression regardless of species, then obviously I am going to agree that slaughtering animals is barbaric and maybe even insulting to human intelligence to still practice such uncivilized acts of aggression. I fully admit that I am a hypocrite when it comes to my meat consumption and my principles. Unfortunately our primitive body has not evolved as quickly as our modern psyche, and right now I am selfish enough to put my needs above the life of another creature. I can't say I feel good about this. I do go out of my way to rescue ladybugs stuck on their backs. I'm sure that makes up for the hundreds of animals that die for my needs every year.
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                      • Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
                        I eat meat because it IS barbarous! Ha!
                        Meh.
                        I don't find it so at all.
                        I've killed and butchered lots of animals, both domestic and game, and I find that for the most part the people who think it's somehow something either awful or gloriously 'barbarous' are people who have never participated in such things in any way other than in their imagination.

                        It just is.
                        It's no more than any other normal function of life.
                        “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                        ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                        And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                        • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                          I grew up on a farm so that I was always intimately involved in the lives and deaths of the animals we ate.
                          I did not find those practices either savagely cruel or exceedingly brutal, or primitive and uncivilized in any way.

                          We cared for the animals well while they lived. We dispatch them humanely.
                          We lived cultured, modern, civilized lives before, during, and after our farm chores.

                          There is no basis for the barbarous statement.
                          That's how you view it, but some people believe animals have the same natural rights as humans. I do see husbandry as a form of slavery. I don't particularly think there's anything special about human life; we're the most destructive creatures to ever roam the planet. We won the evolutionary lottery. We aren't entitled to anything more than other life, we just have the capacity and thumbs to take it even if it's not being offered.
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                          • You're using barbarous to mean something different than it's definition.

                            Once I read your previous post I realized that... it's helpful to know that people are making up their own definition for words prior to these things... it prevents confusion.
                            That's sort of why words have definitions to begin with.
                            The way you use barbarous is not what barbarous means.

                            The way I used barbarous is the correct usage.

                            And opinions and all.
                            I think everything you posted there is just ridiculous.
                            I don't buy into that stuff at all.
                            It doesn't mean humans are 'entitled', it just means we are capable. And in the world that's how it works.
                            I don't see any point in moralizing it.
                            Moralizing food is silly and romantic IMO.
                            “You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.”
                            ~Friedrich Nietzsche
                            And that's why I'm here eating HFLC Primal/Paleo.

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                            • Originally posted by cori93437 View Post
                              You're using barbarous to mean something different than it's definition.

                              Once I read your previous post I realized that... it's helpful to know that people are making up their own definition for words prior to these things... it prevents confusion.
                              That's sort of why words have definitions to begin with.
                              The way you use barbarous is not what barbarous means.

                              The way I used barbarous is the correct usage.

                              And opinions and all.
                              I think everything you posted there is just ridiculous.
                              I don't buy into that stuff at all.
                              It doesn't mean humans are 'entitled', it just means we are capable. And in the world that's how it works.
                              I don't see any point in moralizing it.
                              Moralizing food is silly and romantic IMO.
                              I define barbarous as cruel and uncivilized, it's literal definition. A philosophy of non-aggression would dictate that taking the life of another who did not threaten you is an act of cruelty and arguably beneath the highly evolved brain; uncivilized. You would have to subscribe to this philosophy to agree. Clearly you do not. I also see the reasoning of how slaughtering animals for food is a primitive act. I can see a time in the future where it is unnecessary and considered obsolete, some have arrived at that conclusion now. At one point human slavery was widely accepted and rationalized; in my opinion I think it's possible that one day humans could extend that compassion to other species.

                              I have already admitted my hypocrisy on this issue, but I will not concede that my idealistic principles are flawed. I do not believe I have anymore of a right to life than another just because evolution has equipped me with the capability to dominate and take advantage of lesser creatures. One might argue with these evolutionary advantages that it our moral obligation to protect the ones who are not capable of such reasoning by simply not engaging in unprovoked acts of aggression. That is not my feeling on the matter, but I do understand and admire the philosophy.
                              Last edited by j3nn; 06-17-2013, 02:04 AM.
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                              • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                                Yeah, just look at some of these dumb ass vegetarians...

                                Albert Einstein
                                Leonardo Da Vinci
                                Srinivasa Ramanujan
                                Gandhi
                                Vincent Van Gogh
                                Thomas Edison
                                Pythagoras
                                Mark Twain
                                Franz Kafka

                                On another note, this is one of the funniest sites I've seen: Vegetarians are Evil - Official Homepage
                                I love that site...thanks for sharing.....Drinking Soy can apparently stop men developing an interest in girls due to massive hormone levels......A lot of it seems "tongue in cheek" but there has to be some sensible science there somewhere!

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