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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
    We'd have to physically exterminate the financier class, the media sorcerers, and anyone still clinging to the idea of owning land.
    Agree with the spirit, disagree with the means. Anyone in power will eventually get corrupt so you're basically asking to kill everyone eventually

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
      are you a vulcan or something?

      And what makes you think that the law has anything whatsoever to do with protecting anyone from any kind of hurt? That's 20th century stupid thinking. The law is a weapon of the propertied classes to impose social and economic conditions on the unwilling.
      He's Hobessian, stay near the sword of the government and as far from him as you can.

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      • #18
        Those power structures are obsolete, unnecessary, illusory (as in not a property of mankind or in any way inevitable as a social development in our species) and sustained only by the power-seeking psychologies of those classes mentioned and the material wealth that they now monopolize- in their physical absence, new social orders not built out of this power trip will replace the existing command-and-control hierarchal models of civilization.

        Civilization is organized resistance to psychedellic culture.
        "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

        Jack london, "Before Adam"

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
          I have always wanted to see a Bill of Rights for animals, and then an elected body of locals who are charged with advocating those rights on their behalf as legal spokespeople.
          Sorry, seriously, how can you be at the same time amoral, communist and animalistic, it's like if I told you that Hitler was humanitarian, pacifist AND Hitler at the same time, it just doesn't make any sense.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
            Those power structures are obsolete, unnecessary, illusory (as in not a property of mankind or in any way inevitable as a social development in our species) and sustained only by the power-seeking psychologies of those classes mentioned and the material wealth that they now monopolize- in their physical absence, new social orders not built out of this power trip will replace the existing command-and-control hierarchical models of civilization.

            Civilization is organized resistance to psychedelic culture.
            I think we should stay in the practical side for a moment and accept that that's the society we're going to suffer anyway, and we cannot change it but very very slightly or locally.

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            • #21
              Fuck that noise dude- technology allows for radical seperation from the power structures of the earth and independence from monopolist structures that force reliance on their food, energy, dispute arbitration, and status.

              I think the problem with "philosophies" is that too few philosophers love wisdom, and too many love assocations, books, words, labels, and the status that others afford them. (Thus Spoke Zarathustra dude, on the scholars)

              People just need to start over- people get wrapped up in how to adapt this or that concept-model to this-or-that resource-allocation model. Fuck all that legacy of the ignorant dead. Start from the center- you, as mankind. You need living space, food, the earth and its ecosystems, other humans and their relationships. How to acquire them? How to construct them? Aligned with what? Toward what? For what?


              Sorry, seriously, how can you be at the same time amoral, communist and animalistic, it's like if I told you that Hitler was humanitarian, pacifist AND Hitler at the same time, it just doesn't make any sense.
              I have no idea what this means.
              "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

              Jack london, "Before Adam"

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                Fuck that noise dude- technology allows for radical seperation from the power structures of the earth and independence from monopolist structures that force reliance on their food, energy, dispute arbitration, and status.

                I think the problem with "philosophies" is that too few philosophers love wisdom, and too many love assocations, books, words, labels, and the status that others afford them. (Thus Spoke Zarathustra dude, on the scholars)

                People just need to start over- people get wrapped up in how to adapt this or that concept-model to this-or-that resource-allocation model. Fuck all that legacy of the ignorant dead. Start from the center- you, as mankind. You need living space, food, the earth and its ecosystems, other humans and their relationships. How to acquire them? How to construct them? Aligned with what? Toward what? For what?

                I have no idea what this means.
                You agree with Nietzsche? That changes everything! High five!

                Though I would like to hear your explanation of this:

                Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                For my own sake and that of others, SOME respect for their wellbeing is necessary. Beyond legal requirements, I have little-to-no morals and no affection for other humans, so I try and do the legal minimum to not hurt them.

                Moreover, I agree with your quote completely, philosophy nowadays is too shallow, I know what's reflecting on the big things of life like ethics and metaphysics and I can see that nowadays stupid inductions can be considered philosophy, by those standards I would be more prolific than all the important philosophers of history combined, and that's not true of course.
                Last edited by Miguelinileugim; 06-02-2013, 09:55 AM. Reason: OCD

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                • #23
                  That isn't my quote, it was some other guy that I was quoting.

                  It was in response to my shock and laughter at his idea that "staying on the right side of the law" was a healthy personal philosophy.

                  Against that I postulate that the law is a means by which the property-holding classes compel a labor population to adapt their behavior to their political, economic and social aims, and therefore not at all a foundation for any kind of morality or right living.
                  "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                  Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                  • #24
                    haha "reason: OCD"!
                    "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                    Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                      That isn't my quote, it was some other guy that I was quoting.

                      It was in response to my shock and laughter at his idea that "staying on the right side of the law" was a healthy personal philosophy.

                      Against that I postulate that the law is a means by which the property-holding classes compel a labor population to adapt their behavior to their political, economic and social aims, and therefore not at all a foundation for any kind of morality or right living.
                      Yes, Nietzsche, that's why it is a quote

                      As Hobbes thought, the state is pretty much the sword that compensates the lack of morality of people, in practice people are moral, but the moral voids are usually filled by the fear of that very sword, the rest is corruption and "evilness" or whatever you call it.

                      So, you're not amoral then! Now that I thought that I had found my first Hobbesian!
                      Last edited by Miguelinileugim; 06-02-2013, 10:06 AM. Reason: OCD

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                        haha "reason: OCD"!
                        Yes, that way you can see my mood without abusing emoticons, now I'm OCDish
                        Last edited by Miguelinileugim; 06-02-2013, 10:08 AM. Reason: Compulsive editing of posts disorder

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                        • #27
                          Yes, Nietzsche, that's why it is a quote

                          As Hobbes thought, the state is pretty much the sword that compensates the lack of morality of people, in practice people are moral, but the moral voids are usually filled by the fear of that very sword, the rest is corruption and "evilness" or whatever you call it.
                          Did you misquote then? I am still confused.

                          fuck hobbes though.
                          "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                          Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                            Did you misquote then? I am still confused.

                            fuck hobbes though.
                            Misquote what? And my question was that if you reject morality, how can you be both communist and animalistic? There's no confusion here I think.
                            Last edited by Miguelinileugim; 06-02-2013, 10:22 AM. Reason: Un-confusing people

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                              I have no idea what this means.
                              'oh, this guy was a nice painter AND he liked dogs! his name? oh.... it was hitler'
                              beautiful
                              yeah you are

                              Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                              lol

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                              • #30
                                Yeah where are you getting this, "I reject morality" thing, or "communist animalist...?" That is why I am confused. I never used any of those words...
                                "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                                Jack london, "Before Adam"

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