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    Iíve had some pretty weird dreams over the years, but Iíve never realized it until after I woke up. I want to have a lucid dream (where you become aware that youíre dreaming and can control it). Iíd especially like to fly. Has anyone here ever had a lucid dream? Can you give me some tips about how to have one? Iíve read that keeping a dream journal is a good idea, but are any other techniques?
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  • #2
    The recommended techniques work well. Dream journal, self-talk, meditating, etc. Can take a few weeks to kick in, just stick with it and be patient.

    And eat a big block of cheese before bed.
    Crohn's, doing SCD

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    • #3
      This question got me out of lurking mode for my first post

      I have fairly frequent lucid dreams - and by that I mean half a dozen a year. I have a friend who has lucid dreams also - we perform similar actions to get into the lucid part.

      The first thing is to realize you are dreaming. When I suspect I'm dreaming, I place my hand through a closed door or window. This is an action I know I cannot do in real life, that is the trigger that alerts my dreaming brain, this is not reality. Then I fly! It is quite cool. I have tried, unsuccessfully, to get certain people to appear in my dreams when I realize I'm dreaming but haven't figured that out. Flying and being in control of where I go and what I do in the dream is the most I've accomplished.

      My friend uses a different trick to realize he is dreaming. He looks at a written / printed word (sign, newspaper, book, whatever) looks away and looks back. If the words or letters are different, he knows he is dreaming.

      Most, if not all, of my lucid dreams happen in the early morning after I've been asleep for several hours and I am close to waking up (either by alarm or naturally waking up).

      Good luck!

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      • #4
        There are plenty of books you can read on lucid dreaming, just do a quick Amazon search and see what's most popular. Most of these pretty much say the same thing in my opinion. A lot of it is simply bringing your awareness to the question of whether or not you're dreaming when you're actually awake, which will train your mind to ask this question when you're in dream state, which leads to the realization that you're actually lucid dreaming.

        Other things you might try:

        -Stare at your hands while you're awake a few times a day, and set the intention of doing the same in your dream. When you're dreaming your hands will do strange things and you'll know.

        - Wake up on purpose in the middle of the night, do something for an hour or two, then go back to sleep. For some reason this makes lucid dreaming much more likely.

        - Pay close attention to clocks both when awake and dreaming, and also light switches. A clock will never read the same time when you look at it twice in a row in a dream, and a flipping a light switch in a dream won't really ever turn off the lights.

        Good luck, and have fun!

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        • #5
          Interesting subject.
          There's heaps on LD sites on the net - check out YouTube.
          Basically you train yourself by doing reality checks during normal waking life in the hope you'll do it in the dream.
          Reality checks are checking for normal/non-normal responses in the environment around you.
          Eg in dreams things don't work like they work in waking/real life
          - light switches don't work properly
          -sign, clocks, numbers, letters change when you look away and back again
          - own hands look strange - too many or not enough fingers
          - you kinda float or slowly drop when you jump up
          - you can breath underwater
          - heaps of these type of things ( that do you whilst awake during the day)

          LD normally happens after a few rem cycles after 4:00am.
          Diet, exercise and general tiredness play a role.

          LD can also be induced from a waking state - again it's easiest when waking up during the night at around 4:00.
          These wake induced LD are incredibly clear but are for the more advanced - they can appear more real than reality and are fantastic, but it can be a VERY VERY scary experience entering LD for many people with this method.

          Anyway good luck and enjoy your flights.

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          • #6
            I had to learn how to fly. First I could only fall slowly, then I could fall slowly horizontally, then up. I never learned to turn left or right, always woke up startled when I tried to turn. This occured in a long series of dreams, over a about a year's time.
            Crohn's, doing SCD

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            • #7
              OP, there are tons of techniques you can read about online so you can learn to "wake up" in your dreams. In my case it just started happening spontaneously when I became more "awake" in day-to-day reality.

              Start reading life like a dream.

              Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
              I had to learn how to fly. First I could only fall slowly, then I could fall slowly horizontally, then up. I never learned to turn left or right, always woke up startled when I tried to turn. This occured in a long series of dreams, over a about a year's time.
              Lol - that happened to me too! It took a few dreams: first I would just "doggie paddle" through the air!
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              • #8
                Thanks for the responses everybody! Y'all have been very helpful. I had another weird one last night, something to do with fighting wolves. Superpowers would've come in handy!

                So, I think that I know what I'm going to do now.
                1. start keeping a dream journal
                2. look at my hands a few times each day
                3. tell myself that I'll realize I'm dreaming before I fall asleep
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                • #9
                  That doesn't take the fun out of dreaming? My best dreams are things that my conscious mind would probably never even imagine to think to want to dream, but they were all like, life-altering and mythic.
                  "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                  Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                    I had to learn how to fly. First I could only fall slowly, then I could fall slowly horizontally, then up. I never learned to turn left or right, always woke up startled when I tried to turn. This occured in a long series of dreams, over a about a year's time.
                    I don't like heights and the one dream I had about flying, I woke myself up, yelling NO! I was in a hot air balloon except the balloon stopped rising and I continued on. This happened when I was trying out of body travel, except it happened while I was asleep. Never did it again, never want to..it was scary.

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                    • #11
                      I never knew there was a term for this. The recurring theme in my dreams that lets me know I'm dreaming is that I reach for my ringing phone, and the caller ID is showing someone who in real life has died. I pinch myself to wake myself up. If I can't control it enough to pinch myself, I dig my nails into my palms until I wake up. I don't wanna talk to dead people.
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                      • #12
                        Here's how I have lucid dreams, take it fwiw, and I don't them every night (more on that later):

                        You have to concentrate on your daily routine a lot. For example, as I sit here typing this, I can read the letters, and I can read everything I'm writing. This is all very vivid, and "real," (obviously). But, I question it, constantly (if I want to have lucid dreams) because you have to get used to actually questioning things enough to do it in your dream.

                        It's a habit, and you have to gain the habit, and it can be exhausting, and it's an easy to lose habit. I'm typing. Is this real? I'm looking at a computer screen that's very detailed with words, is this real?

                        Eventually, you can ask this question in a dream. And, once you ask it, and figure out that it's not real, you realize you're in a dream, and you can do whatever you want.

                        Don't worry, normal dreams still allow for this. But, the more weird the dream, the easier (in my opinion) it is to eventually get to a lucid dream.

                        Also, while in the dream, never worry about it lasting. When you wake up from it, try to appreciate the even five seconds you've had. The more you appreciate what you experience, I personally think the longer they eventually happen.

                        I don't have them every night, as I said earlier, because I don't concentrate on it daily. It's more like a "want" that I remind myself of occasionally, and eventually revisit from time to time. It takes time to build up to having them, and you have to constantly keep up with the mental exercises of questioning if this is real, or not, etc.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jackaaron View Post
                          You have to concentrate on your daily routine a lot. For example, as I sit here typing this, I can read the letters, and I can read everything I'm writing. This is all very vivid, and "real," (obviously). But, I question it, constantly (if I want to have lucid dreams) because you have to get used to actually questioning things enough to do it in your dream.

                          It's a habit, and you have to gain the habit, and it can be exhausting, and it's an easy to lose habit. I'm typing. Is this real? I'm looking at a computer screen that's very detailed with words, is this real?

                          Eventually, you can ask this question in a dream. And, once you ask it, and figure out that it's not real, you realize you're in a dream, and you can do whatever you want.
                          Thanks, this is very interesting. I'll try to make it a habit.
                          In matters of style, swim with the current. In matters of principle, stand like a rock.

                          This message has been intercepted by the NSA, the only branch of government that listens.

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                          • #14
                            This might seem weird, but can someone explain what a regular (non-lucid) dream is like? It wasn't until I saw Inception that I suspected my dreams are different from other peoples'.

                            I can close my eyes right now and daydream that I'm flying. I have full control over everything, but it doesn't feel terribly real. That's the same for everyone, right?

                            As far as regular dreams go, I don't remember much from them, but I don't think they're much more vivid than my daydreams. I can't imagine a dream being so realistic that I thought for a moment it was the real world.

                            I don't understand at all when people say things like it took them a while to learn how to fly, as if a dream weren't just a movie they're playing in their mind, and they're both the director and the lead actor.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by PrimalHunter View Post
                              This might seem weird, but can someone explain what a regular (non-lucid) dream is like? It wasn't until I saw Inception that I suspected my dreams are different from other peoples'.

                              I can close my eyes right now and daydream that I'm flying. I have full control over everything, but it doesn't feel terribly real. That's the same for everyone, right?

                              As far as regular dreams go, I don't remember much from them, but I don't think they're much more vivid than my daydreams. I can't imagine a dream being so realistic that I thought for a moment it was the real world.

                              I don't understand at all when people say things like it took them a while to learn how to fly, as if a dream weren't just a movie they're playing in their mind, and they're both the director and the lead actor.

                              Um....what you saying and asking is contradicting ....and confusing.

                              Daydreaming or imagining is not like sleep dreaming .... I can daydream that I'm flying now too.....but sleep dreaming if different.... being conscious of dreaming and controlling it is different again.

                              The regular dreams you described ARE non-Lucid dreams (maybe a bit blurry and may be not very clear, or very clear but you dont realize your asleep and its a dream)

                              Lucid are dreams that your consciousness is aware you're dreaming ( you actually think to your self hey, I'm asleep and dreaming - I Know I'm in a dream now)

                              Lucid dreams can be a bit blurry too.

                              And yes the dreams can be super clear, super detailed views, super imagination.
                              Entering a Wake Induced Lucid Dream ( the entry bit) can be a very weird experience as you are entering the dream completely conscious.

                              So you have never had a nightmare and woke up scared or yelling - this is a completely foreign concept to you? ( if you knew it wasn't real why be scared).

                              Well lucid dreams can be super clear and you're thinking just like your are now, the dreams can look and feel like reality.

                              Thoughts you are having now, the words you're reading, all your external perceptions are feed into your brain, the brain is using chemical and electrical signals and creating your conscious experience your having now - is it real?
                              Last edited by EatMoveSleep; 05-30-2013, 06:32 AM.

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