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  • #16
    the website How To Trick Your Body Into Falling Asleep To Have Your First OBEs And Lucid Dreams In The Minimum Amount Of Time is an incredible resource. This guy has been testing every method for lucidity for years, and has pared it down to the most effective and useful techniques. I have used his "Stop, Drop, and Roll" technique to conk out to sleep on a regular basis, and his whole method for tricking the body into thinking the brain is asleep, has led to some really awesome "wake into lucid dream" or "WILD" experiences. I reccommend checking out his youtube vids, practice his basics, and when that works, get his other videos. Happy dreaming!

    BTW my check for dreaming is basically to see if I can float. Then it's off to fly and explore the unusual buildings. I love putting myself thru mirrors and finding out what's on the other side. Some tips to stay in a dream if things start fading out... rub your hands together quickly; spin in place until things settle down again.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
      Um....what you saying and asking is contradicting ....and confusing.
      Yeah, I'm not really sure what to ask because I don't know what I don't understand.

      Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
      Daydreaming or imagining is not like sleep dreaming .... I can daydream that I'm flying now too.....but sleep dreaming if different
      Yeah, I get that those things are a bit different, but...

      Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
      .... being conscious of dreaming and controlling it is different again.
      This is what I don't get. Until I heard about lucid dreaming, I wasn't even aware that we're usually not conscious of dreaming. Why does it matter? Why is being conscious that you're dreaming you're flying so different from just dreaming you're flying?

      Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
      The regular dreams you described ARE non-Lucid dreams (maybe a bit blurry and may be not very clear, or very clear but you dont realize your asleep and its a dream)
      As far as I can tell, my dreams are never very clear at all. Certainly not like in Inception where they have color, sound, touch, plot, etc.

      Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
      Lucid are dreams that your consciousness is aware you're dreaming ( you actually think to your self hey, I'm asleep and dreaming - I Know I'm in a dream now)
      That's what I've heard, but I don't understand why that's a big deal. It doesn't really matter if I'm just daydreaming or I'm daydreaming while thinking "Hey, I'm daydreaming!" Why is awareness so important in actual dreams?

      Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
      Lucid dreams can be a bit blurry too.
      Oh, I didn't know that. I thought they were always super detailed.

      Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
      And yes the dreams can be super clear, super detailed views, super imagination.
      So is it more about the quality of the dream, rather than the fact that you're conscious? Would a super clear non-lucid dream be really cool too?

      Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
      So you have never had a nightmare and woke up scared or yelling - this is a completely foreign concept to you? ( if you knew it wasn't real why be scared).
      Yes I have, but it's been more like watching a scary movie (scary even though you know it's not real), or being so out of it that even blurry images are scary.

      Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
      Well lucid dreams can be super clear and you're thinking just like your are now, the dreams can look and feel like reality.
      That sounds cool, but it seems like the cool part is that the dreams are super clear, while being conscious doesn't have much to do with it. Why aren't they called vivid dreams instead of lucid dreams? That would be a lot easier to understand.

      Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
      Thoughts you are having now, the words you're reading, all your external perceptions are feed into your brain, the brain is using chemical and electrical signals and creating your conscious experience your having now - is it real?
      It's possible that I'm in the matrix, but I've never had a dream that felt a tenth of a percent as real as what I'm feeling now.
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      • #18
        First, keep a dream journal that you write in immediately upon waking. Take note of feelings, sights, sounds, goings-on...

        Second, ask yourself every couple of hours, "Am I dreaming?"

        Make this a habit. Eventually you will ask yourself that question as you sleep. Once you realize you are dreaming, you are in control. Look at your hands to avoid being woken up, it keeps you connected to the dream.

        These are techniques that I've read and put to practice in my late teens early twenties. Worked for me.
        The above should be viewed as complete and utter nonsense.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by MrsToon View Post
          the website How To Trick Your Body Into Falling Asleep To Have Your First OBEs And Lucid Dreams In The Minimum Amount Of Time is an incredible resource. This guy has been testing every method for lucidity for years, and has pared it down to the most effective and useful techniques. I have used his "Stop, Drop, and Roll" technique to conk out to sleep on a regular basis, and his whole method for tricking the body into thinking the brain is asleep, has led to some really awesome "wake into lucid dream" or "WILD" experiences. I reccommend checking out his youtube vids, practice his basics, and when that works, get his other videos. Happy dreaming!

          BTW my check for dreaming is basically to see if I can float. Then it's off to fly and explore the unusual buildings. I love putting myself thru mirrors and finding out what's on the other side. Some tips to stay in a dream if things start fading out... rub your hands together quickly; spin in place until things settle down again.
          Thanks for the website. I'll check it out later this evening.

          I've been updating my dream journal and looking at my hands a lot. Last night, I felt sooo close to becoming aware. I was doing something, saw a person I know, and thought "Why isn't she doing this instead of me? She's supposed to be doing this. This isn't right." Then I woke up. Dang!
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Jefferson1775 View Post
            Iíve had some pretty weird dreams over the years, but Iíve never realized it until after I woke up. I want to have a lucid dream (where you become aware that youíre dreaming and can control it). Iíd especially like to fly. Has anyone here ever had a lucid dream? Can you give me some tips about how to have one? Iíve read that keeping a dream journal is a good idea, but are any other techniques?
            Apparently -- LOL -- a Tibetan technique was sticking your fingers down your throat to make yourself throw up (or nearly so) as you're about to drop off !!

            That one's in one of Evans-Wentz's books, although which one escapes me at the moment:

            Amazon.com: evans-wentz: Books

            I think it was this one:

            Amazon.com: Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines:Or Seven Books of Wisdom of the Great Path, According to the Late Lama Kazi Dawa-Samdup's English Rendering eBook: W. Y. Evans-Wentz, R. R. Marett, Donald S. Lopez, Donald S. Lopez Jr.: Kindle Store

            Evans-Wentz was an American who studied at Oxford University (so he did go to one of the most prestigious academies in the world). OTOH, what he really seems to have been doing is a bit of dabbling in "Tibetan Wisdom" when that was fashionable ... and, furthermore, according to how it was seen by the theosophists. The theosophists, one might say, appropriated "Eastern Wisdom", interpreting it according to their own agenda. Moreover, they de-historicized it, understanding it as a form of timeless wisdom, rather than a changeable and historically-conditioned thing, as scholars would now. Evans-Wentz also seems actually to have spent little time in Tibet (most of his photos of gurus were taken in India) and to have, embarrassingly, lacked the necessary linguistic skills, primarily relying on dodgy translations by a dipsomaniac Indian whose Tibetan was, if better than Evans-Wentz's, fairly poor.

            Still Evans-Wentz records the fingers-down-the-throat method, and I think it has the ring of truth to it. I'll bet people did that.

            I guess the interesting times are (a) when you're dropping off and (b) when you're waking up -- in the scientific jargon " hypnagogic and hypnopompic states":

            Hypnagogia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            There you're in a kind of in-between state. I think the making sure you don't quite drop off is an attempt stay there. I'd think it works ... for whatever that's worth. (Sleep deprivation would probably do it, too, though I'd not advise that either.)



            However, as a Westerner, I find it hard to see that as "spiritual" (difficult word). But, to be sure, some interesting psychological things might happen. Something might come out of bringing sleeping and waking consciousness together.

            But ... sticking your fingers down your throat as you're trying to drop off ... ?

            That's not "religion" to me. It's a technique.

            As a "Westerner" -- though this one comes from the Middle East -- I have this uneasy feeling that "religion" actually means something like this:

            Our Lord Jesus Christ said:
            The first commandment is this:
            'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is the only Lord.
            You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart,
            with all your soul, with all your mind,
            and with all your strength.'

            The second is this: 'Love your neighbour as yourself.'
            There is no other commandment greater than these.
            On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
            I'm not claiming to do that -- merely saying that thoughts like that creep up on me and knock on the door when I read about religious "techniques".

            The West has its mystics, too:

            The Showings of Julian of Norwich (Norton Critical Editions): Julian of Norwich, Denise N. Baker: 9780393979152: Amazon.com: Books

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
              That doesn't take the fun out of dreaming? My best dreams are things that my conscious mind would probably never even imagine to think to want to dream, but they were all like, life-altering and mythic.
              To me lucid dreaming is much more fun than regular dreaming, because you can direct, control, and do whatever you want, instead of having no say in the plot.

              I've done lucid dreaming a few times, not too often; you just have to realize you are in a dream and decide to do what you want to do - I'm very independent and stubborn so this comes naturally...

              Interestingly, I've never had a cigarette in real life, but have smoked several times in my dreams.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                That doesn't take the fun out of dreaming? My best dreams are things that my conscious mind would probably never even imagine to think to want to dream, but they were all like, life-altering and mythic.
                For a life long gamer, lucid dreams are the pinnacle. Better graphics than any video game and you are the director!
                The above should be viewed as complete and utter nonsense.

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                • #23
                  I've had them, but not on purpose, I just realized I was dreaming by accident (it doesn't happen often).

                  It is truly awesome, flying, doing crazy stuff and I haven't seen it mentioned here, but the sexual fantasies you can have are unreal too.

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                  • #24
                    I actually have these quite often. My problem is I realize it and then it's a race to do cool stuff before I wake up. I try to make things materialize, I fly, whatever. It's hard to describe but it usually starts with me questioning whether I'm dreaming. There is really no verification, the question itself is what does it. Then the fun begins...
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by PrimalHunter View Post
                      Yeah, I'm not really sure what to ask because I don't know what I don't understand.
                      Ok

                      Originally posted by PrimalHunter View Post
                      This is what I don't get. Until I heard about lucid dreaming, I wasn't even aware that we're usually not conscious of dreaming.
                      Ok, this is the bit of what you say gets confusing for me.....
                      Perhaps EVERY dream you have is lucid so you don't know what a non-lucid dream is to compare it to (I have heard people are like this - though it's rare). But your other responses don't match this suggestion (other wise you would say something like "what do you mean your not consciously aware you're dreaming in most the dreams - I'm ALWAYS consciously aware that I'm dreaming...I thought everyone was like this" - or something like that


                      Originally posted by PrimalHunter View Post
                      Why does it matter? Why is being conscious that you're dreaming you're flying so different from just dreaming you're flying?
                      In "normal dreams" stuff just happens to you and around you - you can't control it (much or consciously).
                      If you in a bad dream, you are having a horrible time and generally can't change the situation in the dream or cant often force a wake up to stop the horrible time (if you had more control than that why would you put yourself through a horrible situation - sane people don't willing do that in waking life - why CHOOSE to do that in a dream ????) .

                      Having said that......you now realize you're dreaming and in that dream it's ordinary/boring 'life' such as being at work or at school at your desk (you do stuff you are expected to do - your work and keep doing the boring task), but you just realized you're dreaming....so DECIDE to you fly out the window up to the clouds, then DECIDE to fly to the ground and into/though the earth to the other side of the world, on the other over side of the earth you fly out of the mouth of a massive exposing volcano with glowing red lava everywhere, the propelled lava turns in a huge wave that you body-surf for miles bringing you to a fantastic location, where you DECIDE what fun adventure to do next.......or in that DREAM you can just continue doing your boring paper work in your job, maybe tidy your desk and be annoyed by office politics (if that type of stuff 'floats your boat').

                      Basically if you don't realize you're dreaming you keep doing ordinary/boring stuff you were doing, and some strange things happen around you but go with the flow like it a normal day (you realize they're strange upon waking - but no clearly when dreaming it). When you realize you're dreaming then you can do ANYTHING - only limited by your imagination and experience - which is more fun?)

                      Originally posted by PrimalHunter View Post
                      As far as I can tell, my dreams are never very clear at all. Certainly not like in Inception where they have color, sound, touch, plot, etc.
                      OK so you probably haven't lucid dreamed - but as i said lucid dream can be blurry too.
                      Sometimes lucid dreams are much clearer than the movie inception - or any movie (though it sounds strange or impossible). Some make movies seem quite limited - it's like no movie you ever seen/felt in real life.

                      Originally posted by PrimalHunter View Post
                      That's what I've heard, but I don't understand why that's a big deal. It doesn't really matter if I'm just daydreaming or I'm daydreaming while thinking "Hey, I'm daydreaming!" Why is awareness so important in actual dreams?
                      If you can day-dream to absolute clarity and absolute control then you have achieved the same result I would say (though is this day dreaming look as least as clear as a movie?). If you can do this at will, then I would think movies are useless to you (quite lame in comparison), as are fiction books or any other form of mind entertainment (except to give new ideas for day dreams I guess). Can you do this at will - Super detail, super control, appearing more real than life? (if so, then lucky you ) You don’t see that this level of self controlled hallucination could be enjoyable/relaxing/fun/entertaining?

                      Another way to look at it : don’t you find it interesting in waking/real life we are self aware conscious?
                      You don’t see that as fantastic? You don’t see positive opportunities with consciousness (there are negatives too). A machine/computer doesn’t do that and plants don't either (as far as I can tell) . As a now conscious being, would you choose to be a living but non-conscious being?

                      Originally posted by PrimalHunter View Post
                      Oh, I didn't know that. I thought they were always super detailed.
                      So is it more about the quality of the dream, rather than the fact that you're conscious? Would a super clear non-lucid dream be really cool too?
                      No not always superclear - can be blurred, clear, super-clear and more real than life, it can vary in clarity during the dream too.
                      Clarity, quality (interesting/fun) and consciousness are all good (if you get all three at once )
                      Yes for sure, a super-clear non lucid dream would be cool too – unless it's a bad dream

                      Originally posted by PrimalHunter View Post
                      Yes I have, but it's been more like watching a scary movie (scary even though you know it's not real), or being so out of it that even blurry images are scary.
                      OK, but watching a scarey/horror/thriller movie can be fun for some people -though that's a bit different.

                      If you are being chased by perhaps a faceless person in a bad dream (with perceived intent of serious harm to you) – surely this is not fun to you (so why do choose to dream these horrible experiences – answer is we don't consciously choose to, they just happen from our subconscious).
                      Note if you become conscious whilst dreaming then you can face and confront this attacker – the attacker losses all power.

                      If you know it's not real and a dream then you are at least partially lucid - why not exploit this lucidity and actually think whilst dreaming (like you are now) and turn it in to an adventure.

                      Originally posted by PrimalHunter View Post
                      That sounds cool, but it seems like the cool part is that the dreams are super clear, while being conscious doesn't have much to do with it. Why aren't they called vivid dreams instead of lucid dreams? That would be a lot easier to understand.
                      Lucid dreams is where conscious/thinking mind is lucid (you are lucid right now meaning conscious/thinking but the screen and room may not be clear/vivid if your eyesight is poor.
                      Lucid dream are cool/fun because they are conscious.
                      IF you could right now (whilst awake) jump up and float around the ceiling and through walls and up through the roof and look down to the street etc etc (would you think that's kind of dull/boring - not do that now and instead keep reading this forum.....).

                      Originally posted by PrimalHunter View Post
                      It's possible that I'm in the matrix, but I've never had a dream that felt a tenth of a percent as real as what I'm feeling now.
                      Yes that is true

                      It's a good way to make a dream lucid occur – during the day in waking life question is this vivid imagery is just a dream – do that often enough (along with reality checks) and you may do it in a dream and realize you're dreaming.

                      From my BASIC understanding brain/mind perception in the real/waking reality we see/feel is like active 'dream' in the brain – a working model of perception of the current stimuli (from sight/sound/touch/smell/taste and previous experiences). We take these waking stimuli we get every second and past experiences and make a audio/visual hallucination/model in our brain/mind to try match the inputs we are getting (this is what we see/feel/think is 'reality').

                      Sorry for the long (and sometimes weird) post.....
                      Last edited by EatMoveSleep; 05-31-2013, 09:33 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by MrsToon View Post
                        I have used his "Stop, Drop, and Roll" technique to conk out to sleep on a regular basis, and his whole method for tricking the body into thinking the brain is asleep, has led to some really awesome "wake into lucid dream" or "WILD" experiences.
                        OK.
                        Do you find the entry in to "WILD" a bit weird?
                        By weird I mean strange/unsettling audio/visual hallucinations.
                        The 'noises' often 'machine noises' and 'buzzing' etc can get seriously 'loud' - yes they are hallucinations but the perception is as if they are real. Other sensations is very heavy "lead blanket" feelings, vibrations, shaking, visual lighting and sparks/flashes....some weird stuff.....feels like it goes on for minutes....

                        Often 4:30am 'accidental' WILD is a very quick entry (eg after getting up for a drink of water and returning to bed/sleep)......two seconds of a buzzing "zoom" noise and you're lucid dreaming, or lift yourself 'out of your body' - these glitches in the brain can create amazing 'perceptions'.

                        Some people report VERY scary sounds and images during the entry (or exist) phase.

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                        • #27
                          Although I have never really been a practitioner of lucid dreaming, I have always wanted to be able to realize I am dreaming so that I can take control of the dream.

                          For me, it seems that I wake up at the instant in realize I am dreaming. Making the lucid part very very short.

                          Last week, I was finally able to realize I was in a dream and not wake up. I decided to try and fly. I took off running and jumped into the air, only to fall flat on my face!
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
                            OK.
                            Do you find the entry in to "WILD" a bit weird?
                            By weird I mean strange/unsettling audio/visual hallucinations.
                            The 'noises' often 'machine noises' and 'buzzing' etc can get seriously 'loud' - yes they are hallucinations but the perception is as if they are real. Other sensations is very heavy "lead blanket" feelings, vibrations, shaking, visual lighting and sparks/flashes....some weird stuff.....feels like it goes on for minutes....

                            Often 4:30am 'accidental' WILD is a very quick entry (eg after getting up for a drink of water and returning to bed/sleep)......two seconds of a buzzing "zoom" noise and you're lucid dreaming, or lift yourself 'out of your body' - these glitches in the brain can create amazing 'perceptions'.

                            Some people report VERY scary sounds and images during the entry (or exist) phase.
                            I'm actually thinking about trying something like the WILD method. I need to do some more research on the specifics, though (what time to wake up, how long to stay awake, how to go back to sleep, etc).
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                            • #29
                              I ordered some Lucid Dreamer from Dreamamins for a laugh (Got stung for £14 by customs too, bastards) and it's awesome.

                              I had HDR, 1080p dreams last night. Not lucid, but incredible nonetheless.

                              People in the states should get all over this stuff

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                              • #30
                                EatMoveSleep, thanks, this is helpful.

                                Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
                                IF you could right now (whilst awake) jump up and float around the ceiling and through walls and up through the roof and look down to the street etc etc (would you think that's kind of dull/boring - not do that now and instead keep reading this forum.....).
                                That would be amazing, but that's because this is reality. Doing it in a normal dream would be nothing special for me, like watching it on an ATARI 2600 with a blurry black & white monitor. If doing it in a lucid dream would be even close to reality, then I totally get it.

                                Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
                                It's a good way to make a dream lucid occur Ė during the day in waking life question is this vivid imagery is just a dream Ė do that often enough (along with reality checks) and you may do it in a dream and realize you're dreaming.
                                I do reality checks when I remember to. When I look in a mirror, I make sure that the right things are being reflected. When I look at a clock or text, I look away and then back, to see if it changed. I do this even though I can clearly see that this is not a dream, but I figure maybe I'll subconsciously try it when dreaming. I don't know if my dreams have mirrors and clocks though.
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