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  • #16
    Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
    Your meaning is not the "generally accepted meaning". The word "redistribution" is neutral in direction. All taxes are redistributive in nature. They never go back 100% to the person who paid them.

    But why should I have to give you examples of wealthy people paying no taxes PLUS getting subsidies from the government right here in the US, when it's been in the news regularly for years?
    The phrase is generally accepted in American lexicon. As for all taxes being redistributive, that's quite simply not true. It's as if you're trying to muddle the definition rather than admit you're wrong. The phrase wealth distribution is what we're discussing not distribution in general.

    Because you made the claim, so yes you have to back it up. Your actual claim was that the poor pay more in than the wealthy. Both vague terms, however, ill let you define for the purpose of discussion.
    Starting Date: Dec 18, 2010
    Starting Weight: 294 pounds
    Current Weight: 235 pounds
    Goal Weight: 195 pounds

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    • #17
      Originally posted by kenn View Post
      The phrase is generally accepted in American lexicon. As for all taxes being redistributive, that's quite simply not true. It's as if you're trying to muddle the definition rather than admit you're wrong. The phrase wealth distribution is what we're discussing not distribution in general.

      Because you made the claim, so yes you have to back it up. Your actual claim was that the poor pay more in than the wealthy. Both vague terms, however, ill let you define for the purpose of discussion.
      I don't know about in the US, but here in the UK and generally in Europe, there is a well established system of income taxes on working people, which is redistributed both to unemployed people (over half of which is in the form of housing grants paid direct to the owner of the property they live in) and also agricultural subsidies paid to the owners of large rural estates. So taxes paid by people who have to work to live, gets redistributed to people who don't have to work, but who live off the rent of the land they own.

      Anyway this is off topic. The study itself is interesting.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
        And then there's the question, redistribution of wealth of what sort?
        Redistribution of any sort. Grok didn't pay taxes.
        The above should be viewed as complete and utter nonsense.

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        • #19
          The wealthier men's results seems kind of common sense to me (assuming genes equally capable of being the same size) because wealthy men with large biceps would have a mindset of being able to care for themselves, be it in retirement or a bar fight. Since they've so far been successful at doing so, why would they want that to change by giving away a chunk of their security?

          On the other hand, maybe the poorer men had been working hard physically and didn't have what they felt they "deserved" (I hate that word) and were therefore more open to redistribution, thinking they had in some way "earned it". Or maybe they felt intimidated by wealthier men... I don't know.

          I always wonder why they don't ASK people why they feel the way they do in studies like this. Couldn't hurt, after the fact.
          Durp.

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          • #20
            Basically, men with big biceps want money, and men without muscle don't want money. Strong men want power, weak men don't. Simple....

            It is interesting to see that this cuts across economic classes though.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
              Basically, men with big biceps want money, and men without muscle don't want money. Strong men want power, weak men don't. Simple....

              It is interesting to see that this cuts across economic classes though.
              Weak people want power, I don't think there is any relevance to that. How they will go about acquiring it is a different story.
              Starting Date: Dec 18, 2010
              Starting Weight: 294 pounds
              Current Weight: 235 pounds
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              • #22
                Originally posted by kenn View Post
                Weak people want power, I don't think there is any relevance to that. How they will go about acquiring it is a different story.
                "Want" is very different from "willing to take take the steps to acquire".
                Durp.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
                  "Want" is very different from "willing to take take the steps to acquire".
                  If the only step is voting it is not too difficult.

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                  • #24
                    Damnit I had a perfect quote in mind from The Will to Power about masking the desire to command as obedience, as a means of tasting some kind of power, but can't find it in this book- too many marks and folds.

                    This here is pretty good though: "The rights a man arrogates to himself are related to the duties he imposes upon himself, to the tasks which he feels equal. The great majority of men have no right to existence, but are a misfortune to higher men."
                    "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                    Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                    • #25
                      This might be right. I'm poor and bolshy but am a physical beast.

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                      • #26
                        Do you mean by Bolshy, like, Bolsheviky? Or is that a word for a physique type or something?
                        "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                        Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by kenn View Post
                          Weak people want power, I don't think there is any relevance to that. How they will go about acquiring it is a different story.
                          The human mind will always try to create happiness no matter the situation. If you're weak, you go through life unable to really attain physical power. In general, people will react by saying that they don't want the power anyways.

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                          • #28
                            Really? I think that they become teachers and DMV bureaucrats
                            "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                            Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                            • #29
                              Social services too, from what I see, seems to be fetid with these types. Angry black women who use abusive language and mocking tones, herding retarded people around town while they run errands are quite common sights in NJ.
                              "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                              Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by kenn View Post
                                The phrase is generally accepted in American lexicon. As for all taxes being redistributive, that's quite simply not true. It's as if you're trying to muddle the definition rather than admit you're wrong. The phrase wealth distribution is what we're discussing not distribution in general.
                                You are trying to pigeon hole the term into the narrow definition your political ideology allows. It's all fine and dandy when money flows to the top. When it farily flows both ways suddently it's "wealth redistribution" and "socialism". Typical conservative never letting facts get in the way of his opinion.

                                Because you made the claim, so yes you have to back it up. Your actual claim was that the poor pay more in than the wealthy. Both vague terms, however, ill let you define for the purpose of discussion.
                                I believe she said tax rate. Very different.

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