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  • #76
    Epigenetics, anyone? Even cancer-prone mice often fail to develop tumors when fed properly. This is marketing, brain-washed crap. If I found out I was prone to ANY cancer, I would follow PB and stay healthy - not start chopping things off! What lunacy and madness! Don't even pretend this has anything to do with men or women, this is a stupid human problem. Only stupid people will volunteer to have expensive surgery "just in case" they might have gotten cancer some day.
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    • #77
      Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
      Only stupid people will volunteer to have expensive surgery "just in case" they might have gotten cancer some day.
      But the expensive part doesn't enter into the equation for her. She has enough money that the cost of this surgery for her is something like me buying a pack of gum. Not exactly a bank breaking decision.
      The above should be viewed as complete and utter nonsense.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by texas.grok View Post
        One of the concepts of the whole primal/paleo way of living and eating is that while you may be genetically predisposed to a disease or condition, by eating and living correctly (staying away from processed food, getting plenty of exercise and sunlight, etc.), you may keep that "bad gene" from being switched on to active mode to give you cancer.

        Angelina Jolie, while having a double mastectomy was certainly her choice, treated a non-existent diagnosis of breast cancer. She did not treat the root cause of what might have switched that gene on that might of given her that cancer.

        I firmly believe that the rise in cancers over the past several decades is directly related to diet, so called "health care" and lifestyle. Over use of antibiotics that inhibit the immunity system (which also fights cancers in addition to germs), poor diet, no exercise and the slathering on of SPF 500000 sunblock is the root cause of the rise in cancers.

        Using the same (flawed) logic of Ms. Jolie, if I'm predisposed to having testicular cancer, I should have my balls removed. Oh Shit! I'm adopted! I don't know my birth family history! Off to the doctor to be castrated I'll go...yea, right.

        We are all predisposed to die of something, we are born, we die, it is up to us to choose the lifestyle that will stretch the time between birth and death out as long as possible. Assuming we don't get run over by a truck mind you.

        If hacking off body parts is the only way to stretch that time out, I'll take an early death thank you very much.

        Or, I could treat my body right, eat the right things, exercise, get sunlight, etc. and, before I forget, STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM DOCTORS!

        But that is just me, your results may vary.
        Originally posted by canio6 View Post
        All else aside, that comic is well done.

        As for Ms. Jolie, I treat it as I do most things with celebrities - with a huge side of who gives a f*ck?
        Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
        I don't see both sides. People should not have organs removed just for shits and giggles. This is a marketing gimmick for Big Surgery, and from the sounds of it at work, people are falling for it. You have a 100% chance of dying. Should you have your body removed to make sure it doesn't happen?
        I generally agree with these.... Citing a 80% reduced risk based on mastectomy is probably ludicrous. I could probably cite a 95% reduced risk based on proper lifestyle modification correct?

        However I also can appreciate that we all make choices based on our own perceived risk/reward. Based on what she currently believes she decided this was her best choice. Can't fault a person for making a decision. Her body her call. In fact I don't care if she decided to have both her breasts removed just cause she wanted to.... again her body her call.
        Last edited by Neckhammer; 05-16-2013, 09:15 AM.

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        • #79
          But her 20 million braindead, delusional, identity-less and desperate fan-girls, who fail to notice the distinctions between her living conditions and their own? Expense is a factor. And now it will be a tax-funded factor.
          "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

          Jack london, "Before Adam"

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          • #80
            anyway the objections we are raising has less to do with her decision (who gives a fuck if she lives or dies?) but the obviously agenda-driven coverage that is clearly part of a greater PR campaign.
            "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

            Jack london, "Before Adam"

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            • #81
              I am going to throw in some gunpowder here...lol

              I noticed with my wife, and her friends, and the female mates of any men I know, that women cling very tightly to a notion of "their decision" as a justification- no matter how repulsive the behavior is, how eloquently the victim of it might communicate the range of consequences of this behavior, a woman will always retreat to, "well that's how I feel" or, "well that's what I am doing" or some form of that. Never seen an exception.

              Now, I do not believe this to be a property of womanhood, but rather a trained response that they have learned through their upbrining can excuse any behavior in any situation where they have a dominant role in the power dynamic.

              Lots of comments of that nature from women here so far. "Well it's her choice." No shit!

              We are not saying that she has no right to make this choice- we are saying that the choice is stupid, and that other people who applaud it are stupider.
              "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

              Jack london, "Before Adam"

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                anyway the objections we are raising has less to do with her decision (who gives a fuck if she lives or dies?) but the obviously agenda-driven coverage that is clearly part of a greater PR campaign.
                Honestly I hadn't even heard about it till you made this thread. You have propagated the PR you despise! But, I also don't watch cable tv..... so I'm probably not the demographic that's greatly affected here.

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                • #83
                  Yeah me neither- it was all over facebook when I logged in. Lots of Unfriending yesterday lol
                  "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                  Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                  • #84
                    Perfidy is right. Women think that because they are female they can cling to the most selfish, harmful ideas possible and wave them like flags of freedom. Against oppression that isn't even there. And they support and defend these ideas just for the sake of bonding together, like life is some kind of battlefield and these selfish ideas are weapons for justice. I see it. All. The. Time.
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                    • #85
                      The breast cancer marketing does get really overdone. I have a feeling the Komen Foundation is a cash cow for someone. They put that label on so much shit. You'd be doing more to eliminate cancer if you DIDN'T buy the chemical yogurt and cereal bars with a pink ribbon on them.

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                      • #86
                        And yes, I don't think insurers should be expected to cover pre-emptive masectomys.

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                        • #87
                          Amen, magnolia!
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                          • #88
                            Every non-profit or charity that is hyped in the mainstream is just a tax-haven where the rich and the corporate boards can throw money without losing the influence that it buys.
                            "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                            Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                            • #89
                              As someone who may develop breast cancer (mom and maternal grandmother did), if I had the $$, I would too. I have had all my children (I'm 46) so now my boobs are just ornaments. I would still be a woman, wife and mother with or without boobs. The only persons that gets an opinion is my husband and me.

                              Plus, considering I lost 125 lbs, and could use a lift, that wouldn't be so bad either!

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                              • #90
                                I actually do agree that breast cancer awareness has become a "scare" campaign. I do feel pushed to give a shit. Heart disease is a bigger killer.

                                I do feel like Breast Cancer Awareness has become a giant marketing tool for products to women that may or may not be healthy. I also think that Breast Cancer Awareness takes away resources from other diseases that impact women. Plus.... most Breast Cancer marketing promotes fucking CW ways and lifestyles.

                                I have an aunt who had breast cancer. She survived, dying of lung cancer, painfully about 10 years later. She drank a lot, seldom exercised and didn't eat very well. She also owned a printing press that reeked of toxins. Cutting off her boobs at age 30 probably would not have made her life any longer.

                                The funny thing is, you sure as hell don't question the "KOMEN FOUNDATION". My friend is a medical professional and refuses to support anything "For the Cure". She gots a lot of hairy eyeballs. I mean, as a female medical professional she should be PASSIONATE about Breast Cancer. No, she's passionate about nutrition and finds the Komen Foundation a scam.

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