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  • Oestrogen dominance

    Has any one dealt with this successfully?

    I just got extensive bloodwork done, and was discovered to have v. low progesterone and v. high oestrogen aka. Oestrogen dominance. Among other things, it's manifesting in me is by impairing my thyroid, stopping ovulation, and raising my stress hormones and cholesterol.

    I'm actually very happy because now I know what's going on with me and I can deal with it accordingly

    I'm being put on progesterone and as well as this, I'm going to take some supplements: B6, Zinc, and Mg. If any one has any other suggestions that would be great!

    Has anyone tried acupuncture for it? If so, what complaint would I go in with - infertility?

    Is there a kind of exercise that increases progesterone?

    I also plan to have a lot more sex (not that women like that sort of thing, but I'll take a hit for the sake of my unborn children )
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    I have the Mirena IUD, so a pretty constant flow of progesterone. I'm pretty happy with it and noticed my moods and weight were a lot more easy to control when I started it (8 years ago).

    One thing you might want to pay attention to is that progesterone causes your joints to be a little more "loose", which may or may not be noticeable. For me, since I'm double jointed anyway, I have to be a little more careful. It can also cause you to bleed a little more when you go to the dentist. All in all, I'm very happy with progesterone, but make sure you mention it when you go to a new doctor or to the dentist.
    Durp.

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    • #3
      Thanks for the reply Rita! What do you mean by "loose", and why do you have to be careful? I'm a yoga teacher so pretty flexible already...
      Last edited by YogaBare; 05-12-2013, 09:57 AM.
      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

      - Ray Peat

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      • #4
        It softens the cartilage, which in a pregnant woman is good so the uterus has room to expand and the baby can come out easier.

        Probably not an issue for most people, but apparently I'm double jointed, and the combination of that, age and possibly the progesterone caused my hip joint to get a little too loose. The labrum that holds the leg "ball" in the hip socket slipped in between the two and tore. But it also took 8 years of progesterone and a very active (walking over uneven surfaces like gravel, hopping block walls, running from large dogs) job for that to happen. Most likely not the norm, just a possibility.

        Again, I love the stuff. Even having done that, I would still use progesterone. If you have trouble with what the doc gives you (which is probably synthetic), don't give up. I tried a couple of brands before getting the IUD, and there was a wide range of effectiveness with each.

        I actually noticed my walking was just a very tiny bit "off" for the first month or so, almost like I had been stretching and was somehow too limber. Odd, but not a problem.
        Durp.

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        • #5
          Talk to yor endo about an aromatase inhibiter? Arimidex, clomid, nolvadex. Im guessing this would be the next step if the prog does not work.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
            It softens the cartilage, which in a pregnant woman is good so the uterus has room to expand and the baby can come out easier.

            Probably not an issue for most people, but apparently I'm double jointed, and the combination of that, age and possibly the progesterone caused my hip joint to get a little too loose. The labrum that holds the leg "ball" in the hip socket slipped in between the two and tore. But it also took 8 years of progesterone and a very active (walking over uneven surfaces like gravel, hopping block walls, running from large dogs) job for that to happen. Most likely not the norm, just a possibility.

            Again, I love the stuff. Even having done that, I would still use progesterone. If you have trouble with what the doc gives you (which is probably synthetic), don't give up. I tried a couple of brands before getting the IUD, and there was a wide range of effectiveness with each.

            I actually noticed my walking was just a very tiny bit "off" for the first month or so, almost like I had been stretching and was somehow too limber. Odd, but not a problem.
            Interesting... so did you have oestrogen dominance, and if so, how severe was the imbalance? I don't know a lot about it, but imagine that the more extreme the range is, the more severe the symptoms? Also, is it the kind of thing that gets worse with time if it's untreated?

            I've been put on Duphaston. Are there more natural options?

            Originally posted by Zach View Post
            Talk to yor endo about an aromatase inhibiter? Arimidex, clomid, nolvadex. Im guessing this would be the next step if the prog does not work.
            "Inhibitor aromatazy" is what I'd have to say to my Polish endo... ('Phew for google translate )

            I see that it's used in the treatment of breast cancer - does that mean that oestrogen dominance can contribute to that? Scary stuff.
            Last edited by YogaBare; 05-12-2013, 02:13 PM.
            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

            - Ray Peat

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            • #7
              YB, the stuff "Dr." Zach is blithely prescribing there is some serious medication. I took Arimidex for five years after breast cancer to help prevent a recurrence. I really wouldn't want to take it for anything less life threatening than that however.

              I am feeling so much better after having finished that five year Rx in February. I really think it has a system wide metabolic slowdown as a side effect. For instance I can eat way more now without gaining weight. I think my BMR was suppressed by the medication.

              And yes estrogen does have a lot to do with breast cancer. My oncologist told me the best thing I could do to help prevent a recurrence was to lose weight since, in women, fat cells produce estrogen.
              Last edited by Paleobird; 05-12-2013, 02:12 PM.

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              • #8
                So serious that every male on steroids in the entire world uses it to manage estrogen dominance..

                Yes high estrogen is linked to cancer.

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                • #9
                  I think I have always had low progesterone, oestrogen dominance. I had 3 miscarriages before having my 3 kids, For my 4th pregnancy I started progesterone injections, which made me feel much better straight away. I was a while conceiving for the 4th too, so was put onto Clomid......brutal stuff, made me lose my marbles, couldn't think straight, forgot everything, felt like I was in a warp of some kind. But I did get pregnant.

                  I am now severely estrogen dominant again and am using progesterone cream. My two sisters have had breast cancer, and I am having pretty strong hot flashes/night sweats. Not sure it is helping much though.

                  Sorry, don't know of any alternative treatments though. Interested to see if anything comes up though.
                  Started Primal June 2012 at 148.5lbs, and 5' 1", reached goal weight in 5 months.
                  Lowest weight 93lbs - too thin. Now stable at around 100lbs much better weight for me at my age.
                  Primal, minus eggs, dairy and a myriad of other allergens.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                    YB, the stuff "Dr." Zach is blithely prescribing there is some serious medication. I took Arimidex for five years after breast cancer to help prevent a recurrence. I really wouldn't want to take it for anything less life threatening than that however.

                    And yes estrogen does have a lot to do with breast cancer. My oncologist told me the best thing I could do to help prevent a recurrence was to lose weight since, in women, fat cells produce estrogen.
                    Don't worry - Zach wasn't suggesting I take it: just that it might be worth speaking to my endo about. I seriously need to up my level of Polish, lol.

                    Thanks for the info. Scary how hormonal imbalances can fuck people up so royally.

                    Originally posted by Zach View Post
                    So serious that every male on steroids in the entire world uses it to manage oestrogen dominance..
                    Interesting...
                    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                    - Ray Peat

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                    • #11
                      My point was, don't go taking it unless the situation *really* warrants it.

                      The fact that guys who take steroids also take aromatase inhibitors isn't really a good reason to take one. One unhealthy action to try to correct the side effects of another. Why is this relevant?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Silvergirl View Post
                        I think I have always had low progesterone, oestrogen dominance. I had 3 miscarriages before having my 3 kids, For my 4th pregnancy I started progesterone injections, which made me feel much better straight away. I was a while conceiving for the 4th too, so was put onto Clomid......brutal stuff, made me lose my marbles, couldn't think straight, forgot everything, felt like I was in a warp of some kind. But I did get pregnant.

                        I am now severely estrogen dominant again and am using progesterone cream. My two sisters have had breast cancer, and I am having pretty strong hot flashes/night sweats. Not sure it is helping much though.

                        Sorry, don't know of any alternative treatments though. Interested to see if anything comes up though.
                        Thanks for the info Silvergirl Hope this isn't too personal to ask, but when do you think this started? Do you believe in the correlation between emotions and health? The reason I ask is cos' I'm sure some of my previous life experiences have directly contributed to sex hormone malfunctions.
                        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                        - Ray Peat

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                        • #13
                          I was only 21 at my first miscarriage. I think it is just the way I am. Genetic probably as oddly enough my Mum couldn't carry boys, she also had 3 miscarriages, and they say that boys need more progesterone (maybe an old wives tale, but interesting). I don't think it had anything to do with any experiences. Very few boys in our whole family. Mum had 4 girls, and the offspring was 10 girls to 2 boys, and injections were given for those two.
                          Started Primal June 2012 at 148.5lbs, and 5' 1", reached goal weight in 5 months.
                          Lowest weight 93lbs - too thin. Now stable at around 100lbs much better weight for me at my age.
                          Primal, minus eggs, dairy and a myriad of other allergens.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                            My point was, don't go taking it unless the situation *really* warrants it.

                            The fact that guys who take steroids also take aromatase inhibitors isn't really a good reason to take one. One unhealthy action to try to correct the side effects of another. Why is this relevant?
                            Its relavent because, and i quote "YB, the stuff "Dr." Zach is blithely prescribing there is some serious medication. I took Arimidex for five years after breast cancer to help prevent a recurrence. I really wouldn't want to take it for anything less life threatening than that however.". Your condescending jab aside, these drugs are not serious medication when used correctly, under supervision. The fact that millions of males are using them successfully to manage estrogen is proof of this. Also i believe her situation really warrants some serious intervention, this would be a logical step.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Zach View Post
                              Its relavent because, and i quote "YB, the stuff "Dr." Zach is blithely prescribing there is some serious medication. I took Arimidex for five years after breast cancer to help prevent a recurrence. I really wouldn't want to take it for anything less life threatening than that however.". Your condescending jab aside, these drugs are not serious medication when used correctly, under supervision. The fact that millions of males are using them successfully to manage estrogen is proof of this. Also i believe her situation really warrants some serious intervention, this would be a logical step.
                              Great. Looking to steroid users for health advice. Got it.

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