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  • #16
    I don't consider myself a daredevil yet I love to split the lanes when I'm riding my Vespa and zoom in and out of traffic. I also hiked 3000 miles alone in the wilderness and loved it when I would go days without seeing another human being. I've also got some tattoos, my momma loved me, I've only ever met one person named Bubba in my life, I don't drink much beer and I never handle rattlesnakes.
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    • #17
      At the same time, humankind has been greatly improved by those willing to take risks, even crazy ones, like taking the Oregon Trail, or revolting against the ruler of the day, or risking their lives in an airplane that the world has never seen.

      Evolutionarily, those who are extreme daredevils should weed themselves out of the gene pool sooner rather than later, but there is apparently some reason that trait still exists, and is attractive to many women.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by cori93437 View Post

        I've known people who have died/seriously injured during high risk behavior.
        I've also known people who've died/been permanently crippled living quiet lives... shit happens.
        I guarantee I know more people who will go to their deaths in some random way, after years saying "I'd never do "x" that's too dangerous!", but I know for a fact that they do stupid shit like drive home from the bar on Friday night after half a dozen drinks.


        Also, I'm completely aware that Jeb Corliss has been injured(more than once), and he continues to enjoy jumping/gliding!
        Maybe you should watch some of his interviews on the subject.
        http://teamcoco.com/video/jeb-corliss-accident
        And guys have been killed doing what he does. That is the risk that they accept.
        The other guys they jump with know that. And don't hold their choices against them if they die doing what they love.
        Just like race car drivers don't hate on other race car drivers if there is a death. Or drag bike riders... Or whatever.
        It's really not all that different than the risk that we all accept every time we drive.
        There were 32,367 traffic fatalities in 2011... many of those were caused by other people crashing into safe conservative drivers.
        Except that most people envelop themselves in some sort of bubble of illusion that they are "safe" because they are driving safely, and they are the ones in control. No. Not really. That would only be true if you were the only person on the road.
        Absolutely agree and thanks for the link. I wasn't hating on anyone, just a thought after watching the clip of his mate hitting that bridge.

        I used to do a lot if rock climbing and the calculated risks were a part of the rush, for sure. Although I eventually stopped climbing it wasn't because of any of the falls people I knew had (some resulting in serious injuries, but luckily no deaths). As you say, we just accepted it as a possible outcome and it was either a case of bad luck or unfortunate error when it did happen.

        On the other hand, a friend of mine was a total adrenaline junky, skydiving fast bikes etc. and one day just gave it all up after seeing too many other jumpers and bikers hurt or killed. Said he realised that if you do it long enough, eventually your luck will run out.
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        • #19
          Everybody takes risks. Some of them are obvious. If I go out on my motorbike or go rock climbing I am taking an obvious risk (and I LOVE it!!) but those who sit there tutting at people like me then drive, or eat the wrong foods, or sit around gawping at the tv are all taking risks too. It's just not so obvious and it's long term. If you are not an adrenaline junkie and you want to complain about people who are then fine. But I really do pity you. You have no idea what you are missing. No idea at all.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
            She most certainly does love me, and I don't care what some arbitrary ideals of a perceived imaginary caveman thinks. Grok is us, and we are grok. In that case, there is grok in all of us, so yes, he would do something like that. Grok isn't some higher being, grok is human, with all our faults and imperfections. Which is why living up to a "caveman diet" is silly, because grok never had the choice, and if he did, he'd make all the same mistakes and keep making them as we do.
            Save the mumbo jumbo because you're missing my point. If people went out and did stuff like the prehistoric equivalent of 160mph on a motorcycle, their risks would have resulted in lots of deaths. At the very least, lots of lost limbs or broken bones. Remember, prehistoric man didn't have the ER. I don't care how much grassfed meat you eat; it's not going to put pins in your compound fractured leg.

            This would lower the frequency of their genes in the gene pool over time. Basically, this is probably not a common thing for a human to "naturally" do. So if you're out doing stuff like that you're either A) a rare case that somehow got those risk taking genes B) not as healthy or happy as you could be.

            This concept doesn't take into account the possibility that "excessive risk taking" comes from a gene that controls both this negative trait AND a positive trait, thus making it more likely to stay in the gene pool. Genetics is quite tricky the more you study it.

            Using "grok" is the shorthand way of saying evolution of man. I don't see anything wrong with analyzing things through evolution. Do you?
            Last edited by wiltondeportes; 05-03-2013, 02:04 AM.

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            • #21
              I might give up riding my Vespa when Google Glass comes out. Might give up driving altogether. Rock climbing and base jumping will seem way safer than driving. It probably already is right now even without a nation of Google Glass zombies behind the wheel.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by jfreaksho View Post
                At the same time, humankind has been greatly improved by those willing to take risks, even crazy ones, like taking the Oregon Trail, or revolting against the ruler of the day, or risking their lives in an airplane that the world has never seen.

                Evolutionarily, those who are extreme daredevils should weed themselves out of the gene pool sooner rather than later, but there is apparently some reason that trait still exists, and is attractive to many women.
                I am quite sure there was strong selection pressure for the willingness to take risks. Taking down big game with Paleolithic weapons is not for the timid. And since humans are so pleasure driven, enjoying the feeling of an adrenaline rush would be a big advantage as well. On the other hand, if you die in the process, your mate will have a much harder time feeding your fetal or nursing offspring and your older offspring will have a harder time making it to reproductive age so they can pass on your genes. So in evolutionary terms, the drive to be really masterful at what you do (like a Navy Seal), must balance the pleasure from an adrenaline rush.

                I wonder if the decreasing availablity of useful tasks in modern life that are also dangerous doesn't encourage crazy stuff like going 160mph on a motorcycle. I doubt this guy had the discipline to be a Navy Seal, but he might have enjoyed something like being a diver on an oil rig. Or something. Or maybe he really was suicidal on some level.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
                  Save the mumbo jumbo because you're missing my point. If people went out and did stuff like the prehistoric equivalent of 160mph on a motorcycle, their risks would have resulted in lots of deaths. At the very least, lots of lost limbs or broken bones. Remember, prehistoric man didn't have the ER. I don't care how much grassfed meat you eat; it's not going to put pins in your compound fractured leg.

                  This would lower the frequency of their genes in the gene pool over time. Basically, this is probably not a common thing for a human to "naturally" do. So if you're out doing stuff like that you're either A) a rare case that somehow got those risk taking genes B) not as healthy or happy as you could be.

                  This concept doesn't take into account the possibility that "excessive risk taking" comes from a gene that controls both this negative trait AND a positive trait, thus making it more likely to stay in the gene pool. Genetics is quite tricky the more you study it.

                  Using "grok" is the shorthand way of saying evolution of man. I don't see anything wrong with analyzing things through evolution. Do you?
                  Conservation of self is a person's top priority, of course.

                  No one is that healthy or happy anymore, stress exists and is unavoidable.

                  Cavemen actively took risks daily, to hunt, gather, whatever. There was no shortage of stimulation back then. Just living required risk, I would imagine.

                  I don't think a personality trait can be passed on through the gene pool, seems interesting though.

                  In essence, this is what I was doing.
                  Last edited by Derpamix; 05-03-2013, 05:04 PM.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                    Conservation of self is a person's top priority, of course.

                    No one is that healthy or happy anymore, stress exists and is unavoidable.

                    Cavemen actively took risks daily, to hunt, gather, whatever. There was no shortage of stimulation back then. Just living required risk, I would imagine.

                    I don't think a personality trait can be passed on through the gene pool, seems interesting though.

                    In essence, this is what I was doing.
                    Personality is linked to genetics. There was a great article in Time Magazine recently on that exact topic.

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                    • #25
                      I am a risk taker in most of the sports that I do...skiing, downhill mtn biking, dirt biking, climbing. I don't take uncalculated risks and I feel pretty confident about my skill level going into most any sport so I really don't see it as seeking an adrenaline rush per say, I would just say that some sports are boring if I'm not challenging myself and pushing myself to try new lines and become a better rider/skier/climber. Those risks make ya stronger. I'm not afraid to fall...is what they tell me! I don't have the fear factor that most people have and most say its because I started skiing downhill at a young age...I think if anyone starts at a young age...the fear factor is non existent. I don't see it as a thing to be scared of...I trust in my abilities and trust in my gear. We aren't suicidal, we are experienced.

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                      • #26
                        Nothing quite like the rush of zooming through the trees on a mtb. Must be brilliant living in Colorado!

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