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  • A Public School in Queens now Serves ONLY Vegetraian Food.

    Ok, so I definitely believe we need a food overhaul in the school system, and I'm all for kids eating more veggies. But this? This makes me angry.

    School 244 in Flushing, Queens, becomes first public school in nation to serve only vegetarian meals: officials - NY Daily News
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    Meat is unnecessary to a healthy diet, no matter how active the person is. That is a fact. The only benefit meat provides is a source of complete proteins. Proteins from meat, however, are the primary contributor to heart disease, and provide way more protein than our bodies actually require. Anybody can get enough proteins from plant-based sources very easily. This is a fact. If you disagree it is because you are unaware of the facts and I'd encourage you to read the China Study conclusions or the book Prevent & Reverse Heart Disease. Or watch Forks Over Knives.

    If meat is so vital for an active person, take a look at Scott Jurek, the greatest ultra-marathoner alive. The man runs, and wins, 100 mile foot races routinely. He is a vegan. There are several vegan MMA fighters. NFL players Arian Foster and Tony Gonzalez are both vegans. John Salley, winner of 4 NBA championships, is a vegan. None of these world class athletes require meat to thrive, yet most couch potatoes act like they'll wither away and die without a big mac or a steak.

    You should all really educate yourselves about what you put in your body before bashing those with knowledge. Cutting meat from your diet is probably the second healthiest thing you could do over the long run. Cutting sugars, especially high fructose corn syrup (it's what's sweet in coke), is the first.

    As for this school administrator "dictating" what the kids eat - that happens already at every school. But you're all so obtuse that you think it's not. The school menus are established most often through heavy lobbying by the meat/dairy/sugar industries. So the schools already dictate that your kids eat like crap at school lunches. And you're complaining that one school has decided to dictate that the kids eat healthy. No wonder most of your kids are obese and on their way to Type 2 Diabetes - formerly known as "Adult Onset Diabetes". They had to change the name when more and more children started getting it - you see, it used to take years for a person's crappy diet to catch up to them. Now, thanks to "improvements" in the way the food industry processes foods, particularly sugar, that process is more efficient, making it possible that more children will contract this debilitating disease.

    Anyways, I think it is sad that in today's world, where rampant obesity is growing, that people would go out of their way to criticize somebody who is trying to do something about it. It isn't a liberal conspiracy. It can't be, since both political parties have been happy for years and years to subsidize the meat and dairy industry and allow our schools to continually feed our children unhealthy foods.
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    • #3
      I think it is sad that in today's world...that people would go out of their way to criticize somebody who is trying to do something about it.
      It's not the thought that counts. "At least I'm doing something, even if it's wrong" is a piss-poor substitute for a solution.

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      • #4
        Eesh, when I was growing up schools served just lunch (not breakfast) and you had to PAY for it. Maybe the school should stop serving breakfast and start charging for lunch, then they could afford better quality ingredients. Potatoes and beans? Talk about cheap.

        Also, there is literally nothing I can eat on those menus. I almost get an allergic reaction just reading about all the wheat.
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        • #5
          BREAKFAST
          Fluffy egg omelet with melted cheese ...

          LUNCH MENU
          ... salsa, red roasted
          potatoes and broccoli
          ... roasted zucchini
          cucumber salad
          ... chopped romaine, fresh diced tomatoes and cucumber salad

          Sounds great to me! Better than most hot counters offer!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by kathleen View Post
            Eesh, when I was growing up schools served just lunch (not breakfast) and you had to PAY for it. Maybe the school should stop serving breakfast and start charging for lunch, then they could afford better quality ingredients. Potatoes and beans? Talk about cheap.

            Also, there is literally nothing I can eat on those menus. I almost get an allergic reaction just reading about all the wheat.
            The reason they are serving breakfast is so that poor kids whose families don't have food for them can still start with breakfast, because kids who eat breakfast do better than those who don't. But what purpose would it serve to provide food only to kids of well-to-do families, who can certainly afford to provide their own?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
              The reason they are serving breakfast is so that poor kids whose families don't have food for them can still start with breakfast, because kids who eat breakfast do better than those who don't. But what purpose would it serve to provide food only to kids of well-to-do families, who can certainly afford to provide their own?
              Don't have food for them? That is purposely misleading you need to read up on the program.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by kenn View Post
                Don't have food for them? That is purposely misleading you need to read up on the program.
                I'm not understanding your point. Nothing I have said is misleading. The programs provide food for everyone on a sliding scale. The poorest kids get free food, and they are the ones who statistically miss meals and do worse in school for it.

                Public policy is that it is better to provide food to growing kids so they can grow up to be healthy taxpayers. You may disagree, but I see zero justification for providing food only to kids of the well-to-do.

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                • #9
                  It should not be the school's responsibility to provide food, I think.
                  Stumbled into Primal due to food allergies, and subsequent elimination of non-primal foods.

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                  Current: 132lbs, Ladies size 2
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                    I'm not understanding your point. Nothing I have said is misleading. The programs provide food for everyone on a sliding scale. The poorest kids get free food, and they are the ones who statistically miss meals and do worse in school for it.

                    Public policy is that it is better to provide food to growing kids so they can grow up to be healthy taxpayers. You may disagree, but I see zero justification for providing food only to kids of the well-to-do.
                    You said it was for kids without food and now you're describing something else. You might see it as semantics, however, it is a big difference.

                    And finally, you try to set me up as some elitist that only thinks Rich kids should have food provided for them.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kathleen View Post
                      It should not be the school's responsibility to provide food, I think.
                      I won't argue with what you said, but feeding the kids is better than not doing it, as long as the parents can opt out.

                      Also, I read the article. I think that what they are doing is way better than what most schools have, and better than what I grew up eating at school.

                      While I disagree that being vegetarian is the healthiest route for humans, I'm not convinced that we need to eat meat at every meal, either. People around here fast pretty regularly, there are quite a few Catholics that will go without meat during Lent- Does every meal really need meat?

                      So long as they keep the soy products, "vegetable" oil, and wheat separate, I don't think I'd mind my kids eating veggies for a meal a day. I'm sure I can feed them enough meat at home.
                      Last edited by jfreaksho; 05-01-2013, 06:05 PM.

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                      • #12
                        It could be a lot worse really. Who knows what they eat at home. In Australia we provide lunch for our kids or they can have a lunch order. Admittedly there are some unhealthy options in the canteen but they have a lot healthier options these days also. Well in my daughters public school anyway.
                        Last edited by HelenLouise; 05-01-2013, 08:52 PM.

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                        • #13
                          I agree that they are trying to be more healthy. 10 years ago I remember them taking out the snack cart (sold candy, chips, etc.) and changing the vending machines from soda to milk/fruit juice/gatoraid. I was pissed!

                          Still, I don't think it's right to push a lifestyle on kids. Vegetarianism is a lifestyle, that not many parents would agree with. I wouldn't want my kids going to school and hearing that vegetarian is the only way to be healthy, that wheat is healthy, soy is healthy, meat is unhealthy, whatever. I would feel the same was as I would if I sent my kids to school and they came home with Bibles, or if my kids came home saying the school was forcing gender neutral bathrooms on them.

                          There are certain things that I think should be none of the school's concern. Lifestyle is one of them. Serve some damn hot dogs to the kids.
                          Stumbled into Primal due to food allergies, and subsequent elimination of non-primal foods.

                          Start Gluten-Free/Soy-Free: December 2012; start weight 158lbs, Ladies size 6
                          Start Primal: March 2013, start weight 150lbs, Ladies size 6
                          Current: 132lbs, Ladies size 2
                          F/23/5'9"

                          26lbs lost since cutting the crap.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kathleen View Post
                            There are certain things that I think should be none of the school's concern. Lifestyle is one of them. Serve some damn hot dogs to the kids.
                            Didn't you just say that the school shouldn't have any responsibility to provide food?

                            I get that the school should not be saying that vegetarian and soy products are the only way, but hotdogs would fix that? I'm not following your logic.

                            On the face of it, I really don't have any objections to the vegetarian lunches, as long as they steer away from the associated propaganda. I think that's probably where we could agree.

                            More than likely, though, the only other option is that they are going to get "nutrition" classes based on the "My Plate" concept, which is a bit less than effective as well. (Actually, I think they will get both the vegetarian and the myplate propaganda at the same time.) I get that you are trying to indoctrinate your kids in what you believe, but you're not going to get around all of this and still send them to public schools.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jfreaksho View Post
                              Didn't you just say that the school shouldn't have any responsibility to provide food?
                              Yes.

                              I get that the school should not be saying that vegetarian and soy products are the only way, but hotdogs would fix that? I'm not following your logic.
                              Sorry I confused you. If they are serving foods, then they need to serve a variety of food to cater to a variety of lifestyles/beliefs. Hot dogs are another source of cheap protein, like beans, but some kids like hot dogs more than beans. Some parents would never feed their kid beans, and would want them to have an option for protein while the school is force feeding them. If the school provides food for kids, then they need to cater to all the kids. They need to cater to the gluten intolerant kids just as much as they need to cater to the kids fasting for Ramadan, and not force food on them.

                              On the face of it, I really don't have any objections to the vegetarian lunches, as long as they steer away from the associated propaganda. I think that's probably where we could agree.
                              Yes, I agree. Nothing wrong with vegetables, but this stuff they are serving is far from healthy. Tortillas are no more healthy than a bowl of ice cream. And both ice cream and tortillas are vegetarian.
                              More than likely, though, the only other option is that they are going to get "nutrition" classes based on the "My Plate" concept, which is a bit less than effective as well. (Actually, I think they will get both the vegetarian and the myplate propaganda at the same time.) I get that you are trying to indoctrinate your kids in what you believe, but you're not going to get around all of this and still send them to public schools.
                              I don't have the money to send kids to private school. If public schools were less shitty, people probably wouldn't feel the need to shell out thousands of dollars to send them to private school. I don't want to home school either, some people have careers, and I don't kid myself into thinking I can be a math teacher, social studies teacher, science teacher, all that jazz. Teachers go to school for years to learn how to teach a specific subject. I think it's cute when parents think they can teach better than teachers.

                              I'll send my kids to the free schools provided by the state, so they can learn math, science, whatever. I don't want them learning shabby nutrition and vegetarianism any more than I want them learning that God made the earth a couple thousand years ago.

                              I don't think food/nutrition is the school's responsibility any more than I think religion is. I'll pack my kid's lunches.
                              Last edited by kathleen; 05-03-2013, 12:15 PM.
                              Stumbled into Primal due to food allergies, and subsequent elimination of non-primal foods.

                              Start Gluten-Free/Soy-Free: December 2012; start weight 158lbs, Ladies size 6
                              Start Primal: March 2013, start weight 150lbs, Ladies size 6
                              Current: 132lbs, Ladies size 2
                              F/23/5'9"

                              26lbs lost since cutting the crap.

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