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  • #16
    If you really care what your kid eats, send them with a sack lunch. From the article it sounds like the meals are an improvement over "nuggets". I think that any movement away from a nugget and fries based diet is a good thing. Too bad they eliminated quality protein, but its not like schools are serving quality protein anyway.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
      If you really care what your kid eats, send them with a sack lunch. From the article it sounds like the meals are an improvement over "nuggets". I think that any movement away from a nugget and fries based diet is a good thing. Too bad they eliminated quality protein, but its not like schools are serving quality protein anyway.
      +1 If I had to guess, I imagine that since children can't vote, they're on the bottom of the govt handout food chain. First you have the military, then corporate welfare, then programs for special interests, and finally we help out poor children and disabled people.

      Considering how open my eyes have become open since reading and following links here in these forums, I'm guessing that eggs and cheese for breakfast is better than the cereal a lot of kids get for breakfast, and the veggies at lunch seem a whole lot better than a pb&j sandwich or a packet of Lunchables.
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      • #18
        My kids bring a sack lunch every day, due to the high cost of buying the cafeteria food. They never bring a meat- usually it's a yogurt, piece of fruit and a butter/jam sandwich (my kids don't like pb or lunch meat). Not a horrible lunch but not great either. I'd actually be more willing to spend the money once or twice a week for a vegetarian menu, like the one that was posted-way better than the crap they serve at my kid's school
        Last edited by mom23kids; 05-04-2013, 02:28 PM.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by kathleen View Post
          Yes.

          Sorry I confused you. If they are serving foods, then they need to serve a variety of food to cater to a variety of lifestyles/beliefs. Hot dogs are another source of cheap protein, like beans, but some kids like hot dogs more than beans. Some parents would never feed their kid beans, and would want them to have an option for protein while the school is force feeding them. If the school provides food for kids, then they need to cater to all the kids. They need to cater to the gluten intolerant kids just as much as they need to cater to the kids fasting for Ramadan, and not force food on them.

          Yes, I agree. Nothing wrong with vegetables, but this stuff they are serving is far from healthy. Tortillas are no more healthy than a bowl of ice cream. And both ice cream and tortillas are vegetarian.

          I don't have the money to send kids to private school. If public schools were less shitty, people probably wouldn't feel the need to shell out thousands of dollars to send them to private school. I don't want to home school either, some people have careers, and I don't kid myself into thinking I can be a math teacher, social studies teacher, science teacher, all that jazz. Teachers go to school for years to learn how to teach a specific subject. I think it's cute when parents think they can teach better than teachers.

          I'll send my kids to the free schools provided by the state, so they can learn math, science, whatever. I don't want them learning shabby nutrition and vegetarianism any more than I want them learning that God made the earth a couple thousand years ago.

          I don't think food/nutrition is the school's responsibility any more than I think religion is. I'll pack my kid's lunches.
          I was homeschooled all the way through from kindergarten to 12th grade, and my mom did just fine teaching us with her hs degree. My dad was a hs drop out and yet we also learned things from him too, go figure. My sisters and I all have college degrees, so we didn't turn out to badly, in spite of being homeschooled
          Last edited by mom23kids; 05-04-2013, 04:07 PM.
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          • #20
            I would expect a school run by such shit-for-brains to be located in a place called Flushing. Sadly, despite the name I suspect they won't be gotten rid of so easily.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
              The reason they are serving breakfast is so that poor kids whose families don't have food for them can still start with breakfast, because kids who eat breakfast do better than those who don't. But what purpose would it serve to provide food only to kids of well-to-do families, who can certainly afford to provide their own?
              I hear what you're saying, but it also annoys me because I really don't think we should enable abusive behaviors like not feeding your children. And with food stamps, food banks and welfare, I don't think there's much excuse. Canada doesn't have a breakfast or lunch program and we somehow seem to survive.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Wildrose View Post
                I hear what you're saying, but it also annoys me because I really don't think we should enable abusive behaviors like not feeding your children. And with food stamps, food banks and welfare, I don't think there's much excuse. Canada doesn't have a breakfast or lunch program and we somehow seem to survive.
                That's all good and fine, except not feeding children only punishes the children. Even if we accept that everyone on any kind of welfare is a low life scum (and I don't accept this premise), you're still punishing the children not the parents. A society may be judged by how it treats the weakest among them. Starving children because their parents are low lifes shows just how evolved we are (not).
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                • #23
                  I don't like the fact that school provide food, but when I first read about this, I was upset. However, as I thought about it, I realized that these kids were probably going to be getting better food than what I got in public school. These are the "meats" I remember:

                  - Soggy fried chicken (flour coating, terrible quality meat, soaked in vegetable oil)
                  - Soy/beef burgers (combo of soy and ground beef for cheapness)
                  - Chicken patties (breading veggie oil)
                  - Miscellaneous ground beef product for tacos and casseroles (soaked in veggie oil, msg, etc)

                  Of course, I would be somewhat concerned about the protein students would be getting (low-fat dairy, tofu, lentils???). But this has the potential (I'm being generous here) to not be that bad of a thing. As long as people can send food with their kids if they want, I don't feel the need to get too worked up.

                  As for not providing school lunch...taking away entitlements is pretty much impossible. Anything that people feel like they are getting for free, even if it is a terrible deal, is generally going to stay once it is implemented, and few politicians have the required fortitude to put up with complaints while people are moving up the learning curve. "Oh no, I don't have time to send a lunch with my kid!" Well, if they don't want their kid taken away, they will make sure he/she stays fed. People are capable of learning. I wouldn't start doing my hypothetical child's chores just because he refused to do them. I would make his life unpleasant enough that he would learn that he had better do his chores. It might take a while, but if a kid can learn that actions have consequences, so can a parent. For example, getting reported to CPS if their child is sent to school more than twice per month without food and being charged $20 for every meal the school had to provide for their child. As long as there are procedures for unforeseen consequences, emergencies, etc. I don't see why this would be unworkable.

                  Of course, it is rather heartless in the same way that teaching people in undeveloped countries how to grow their own food instead of shipping them "free" GMO corn and wheat is heartless. I feel like such a terrible person now.

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                  • #24
                    I hear what you're saying, but it also annoys me because I really don't think we should enable abusive behaviors like not feeding your children. And with food stamps, food banks and welfare, I don't think there's much excuse.
                    It really sucks to be the child of a drug addicted mom. I don't think Canada has the type of persistent poverty that we see in the US. Some of these parents, quite frankly, should not have children. They should be taken away. Plus there is a lot of abuse- parents sell food stamps for drug money. There is not much of a solution beyond aggressively rehoming the kids, but we don't have much stomach for that.

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                    • #25
                      Using numbers from these two sources,

                      Food Stamp Fraud: Agriculture Department Taking New Steps To Combat Selling Benefit Cards
                      EWG Farm Subsidy Database

                      and the assumption that the population of the US is approximately 311.5M

                      Food Stamp fraud is approximately $750M
                      Farm Subsidies are approximately $240B

                      Therefore, Food Stamp fraud costs approximately $2.41/year/citizen.
                      Farm Subsidies cost approximately $770.46/year/citizen.

                      Screaming about Food Stamp fraud is just what the PTB want you to do because even if you make $100k+ per year, you’re a crumb catcher to them and you’re closer to the average food stamp recipient than you are to the billionaires who run this country and pocket our taxes.
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                      • #26
                        Step away from the thread, Sabine, before you burst something....

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                          Using numbers from these two sources,

                          Food Stamp Fraud: Agriculture Department Taking New Steps To Combat Selling Benefit Cards
                          EWG Farm Subsidy Database


                          and the assumption that the population of the US is approximately 311.5M

                          Food Stamp fraud is approximately $750M
                          Farm Subsidies are approximately $240B

                          Therefore, Food Stamp fraud costs approximately $2.41/year/citizen.
                          Farm Subsidies cost approximately $770.46/year/citizen.

                          Screaming about Food Stamp fraud is just what the PTB want you to do because even if you make $100k+ per year, you’re a crumb catcher to them and you’re closer to the average food stamp recipient than you are to the billionaires who run this country and pocket our taxes.
                          Playing the 99%er victim card I see
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by kenn View Post
                            Playing the 99%er victim card I see
                            LoL, funny stuff. I've been living on my savings for years and haven't abused the "no asset qualification" portion of food stamps, even though I could. But really, there are a lot of people who think their proverbial shit don't stink when so many of them are about three months away from being in deep shit if they lost their jobs.

                            One schmuck wins the lottery and continues to take food stamps, and now the whole world thinks millionaires get food stamps. What actually happened was that a few years ago when a lot of people were losing their jobs, defaulting on their mortgages, etc., the cash limit for food stamps didn't work for people living in areas like SF, NY, Hawaii, etc. where rents can run in the thousands. Instead of coming up with a cash limit that would be logical, the bureaucrats decided to do away with it completely. Idiotboy wins the lottery and decides to take advantage. Now the perception is that millionaires get food stamps.

                            I'm guessing that the average "millionaire" wouldn't waste her/his time meeting with case workers, filling out the forms, etc., that are required to get that overwhelming windfall of $200/month. And yes, I'm aware you can apply online, but you still have to provide documentation. Millionaires don't really want to hang with the unwashed who frequent the food stamp offices.

                            I'm so not a victim. One time I got held up at gun point and I did feel very afraid and a bit victimized, but I got over it and was more wary when partying in that neighborhood. Still and all, the 1% in this country are pulling some disgusting cons. If seeing that for what it is makes me a victim in your eyes, so be it. But I don't feel it because I don't feel helpless or unable to change my situation if I want to do so.
                            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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                            • #29
                              The fraud I was speaking of was not rich people getting food stamps, but poor mom's trading food stamps/cards for drugs. They used to try and sell us food stamps in college for $.75 on the dollar. Harder these days.

                              Anyhow, for a % of our population, kids don't get fed at home. We need to feed them at school. It's not the kids fault.

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                              • #30
                                Some fans of Rep. Stacey Campfield on here, I see.

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