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    Just to warn you - some graphic descriptions of doggie digestion gone haywire below! But would really appreciate some advice.

    I'm a bit concerned about our dog. About five years ago he ate some out-of-date paté and spent two days puking and shitting blood (sorry tmi). His stomach has never really been the same, but in the last week something is going on with him. He keeps having "accidents" (puking, diahrriea) in the morning, and then yesterday when I took him for a walk and he was shitting blood...

    He's in good spirits other than that, but he's getting old (just turned 10) and I'm concerned that something happening with him. My mum feeds him those granuales with chicken. She gave him beef the other day and she thinks that's what turned him. She said that any time she gives him something outside his regular diet it screws him up.

    Any suggestions people have would be great I have no faith in our vet as the idiot knocked out a couple of the dog's teeth last time he was there (don't ask). Are there any alternatives to vets these days? Naturopaths for dogs? Ha!
    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    Just so you know who we're talking about...

    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

    - Ray Peat

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    • #3
      It sounds like IBD. Similar as in humans. Keeping consistent gentle diet is key to stabilizing. There are a couple of forums for IBD dogs. I know yahoo groups has one. Google canine IBD and look for another vet would be my suggestion.

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      • #4
        You have not shown your location, but where I live we have just now some kind of a virus that dogs get and the simptoms are exactly the same as you describe. I did take my dog to the vet, as shitting blood is not normal. We have good vets whom I trust and dog has no objections too*. Dog was given 2 injections - one to dry the intestines and stop diarea, the other to stop vomiting. Some white gypsum-like pasta and 2 kinds of pills, to take morning and evening one for 3 days, other for 5 days. And I got them more than necessary so there would be enough for the other 2 dogs as well. And right - the other one soon started similar simptoms, just we knew and started to give him the pills immediately. Its 5 days now, the first dog is almost perfect, the other - so-so, but not too bad. The third is ok all the time (knock on wood).

        *"no objections" doesnt say anything, actually after a heavy surgery the dog refused to go past the vets office - not to avoid it but to go in and stay, who needs home when they have everything that a dog may wish: cage, blanket, food, and for sure those perfect little injections that made the dog reasonably high. He is over that little addiction moment now.

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        • #5
          A vet visit IMO is necessary. This is not normal. The vet equivalent to Naturopath would be a Holistic vet. I use one for my two girls and would never go to a regular vet again, the approach is totally different. To help to digest food better I give mine the Animal Essentials digestive enzymes/probiotics with food. But this to me sounds like it needs attention. For sickness and diarrhea my vet would prescribe a strong probiotic.
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          • #6
            Because of blood in the stool, I'd definitely bring your pup to the vet.
            Also, a good home remedy for any kind of tummy upset is canned pumpkin - make sure it's pure pumpkin and not pumpkin pie filling. You can google this as a remedy to see dosages, etc. When our Lab has had diarrhea, we've given her a TBSP 1 - 3 times a day and it's really helped get her poops back to normal.
            Hope your baby is feeling better soon.
            Last edited by Pheebie; 04-29-2013, 08:28 AM.

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            • #7
              I can't offer much help other than to suggest a visit to a different vet. It sounds as though he may need some medication for this. I do very much hope that he recovers quickly!

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              • #8
                Thanks for all the input everyone! Doggie lives with mum in the backarse of nowhere. A quick google search turned up no holistic vets.. quelle surprise. I've suggested the pumpkin and probiotic to her... we'll see what happens.

                Thanks again!
                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                - Ray Peat

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                • #9
                  I know a lot of people who give their dogs yogurt and white rice with good results. Not exactly a natural canine diet but it might settle his stomach.
                  Is it weird in here, or is it just me?

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                  • #10
                    Plain white rice after 12 hrs gastric rest. 24-48 hrs on rice, then add plain boiled chicken. slowly add back in quality kibble if you must, or feed raw/grain free if you can. add probiotics when you add in rice.

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                    • #11
                      Blood in stool is much more common in dogs than humans and is not always a cause for major alarm. 12 hours of no food followed by rice and boiled chicken is the standard treatment my vet recommends. then I had yogurt. If it continues long term it could be IBS which is common in older dogs. It can be pretty cheaply treated with metranidazol in most dogs.
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                      • #12
                        Anytime we feed our dog anything outside of his usual beef and salmon diet, diarrhea ensues. Any kind of poultry is the worst for him. You have to gradually add any new foods a bit at a time (think: spoonful) into his regular food if you want to give him more variety so he as time to adapt; then monitor closely. He had a dehydrated pig ear the other day without issue. He was supposed to gnaw for days, finished it in a thirty-min don't-even-look-at-me session.

                        Ps. OMG, he's so cute if the blood persists, have him examined if you can.
                        Last edited by j3nn; 04-29-2013, 11:22 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                          Just so you know who we're talking about...

                          Cute dog, but OMG I CAN SEE THROUGH HIS STOMACH TO THE GRASS BEHIND HIM

                          I would say more liver, mashed up in white rice. Helps with my cats anyway.
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                          • #14
                            Kefir has worked wonders with my dogs when they've had seriously bad diarrhoea and nasty gas (both ends).
                            But if it lasts more than a couple of days, or he's not himself I'd take him to a vet.

                            My boy was off colour and refusing food and I left it for a couple of days to see if he'd come right, turned out he had a twisted spleen and nearly died.
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                            • #15
                              One of our dogs started having diarrhea several times a week a few years ago. We switched them to a grain free diet, and the problem went away completely. I don't remember the brand we use, but can check if you're interested. Our cats are now grain free as well, and are much healthier - better coats and fewer hairballs.

                              With bloody stools, I'd definitely get the vet involved, too.

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