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  • New to primal, but love love love craft ales

    Hi all,

    I'm new to primal eating, Iv'e had no problems giving up bread, potatoes, and carbs in general as Iv'e never consumed them massively anyway, but I do have a few vices these being:

    Coffee

    Dark Chocolate (80% cocoa and above)

    Craft/Real Ales

    Out of these I could probably pass up the coffee and the dark chocolate, but I absolutely adore my real ales, I don't drink them massively, maybe 1-2 pints of it a week in total, and I also very moderately consume red wine, but again this isn't a daily occurrence and by no means consistent. I'm only 24 so I'm hoping making these lifestyle changes early on in my life will still allow me the occasional vice but I have to confess I am still concerned about the negative effects these will have on my body and overall health/composition.

    I suppose what I'm asking is, whether many primal eaters still consume some of the things Iv'e mentioned yet still see fantastic results or little difference to when they do not?


    Thanks everyone

  • #2
    I've started eating very occasional sweets- baked goods, and don't find that I have any negative impacts. Now alcohol does nasty things to me. Think days of bloat, reflux.....

    I'd try and eat very clean primal for a month or two, then add in the occasional beer and see what it does. It may really have no effect on you, and may be something you enjoy. If you drink it and break out in hives and feel like crap, maybe you do need to avoid it. It does take some time to ferret out what you can and can't tolerate and it helps to start from a clean base so you aren't wondering if it was the pizza or the beer that has you feeling like crap.

    The other downside is that if you really want to get lean for your vanity that it might not be possible to get that 6 pack and enjoy beer. But I know that there are guys that drink plenty of beer and have amazing bodies....

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    • #3
      Coffee and dark chocolate are both primal.

      I figure it this way. Food is one of the beautiful things on the planet. If going off plan once in awhile, or even being 80/20 means I can stick to primal forever, then I'm going to do it. Better to be 80/20 or better forever, than to throw my hands up in defeat because I want a beer or some sourdough bread occasionally.
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      • #4
        I'm a big beer lover and a homebrewer so you're problem is one that I have also. I have managed to limit my beer consumption to weekends only and have seen success. I'll occasionally have one during the week but rarely. Giving up alcohol entirely just wouldn't be realistic for me. I would have given up on being primal within the first month.
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        • #5
          I love a good beer and will drink a glass of wine nearly every day.

          You'll find what works for you and what doesn't, and it really does depend on your goals for eating primal. My personal goals are weight maintenance, reduce chronic pain through anti-inflammatory diet and overall long term health. I can achieve all of these doing what I do now, which is usually one glass of wine each night, maybe two if we go out a couple of times a month. I don't see any point in restricting my alcohol intake further if I won't benefit from it. You've gotta enjoy life.

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          • #6
            I figure it this way. Food is one of the beautiful things on the planet

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            • #7
              Um...you don't have to give up potatoes, chocolate, coffee, or carbs...those all fit into the primal plan in moderation.

              You don't have to give up your beer either, unless you have to because of a sensitivity to wheat. There's a bit of wiggle room for everything, you just have to decide how much wiggle too to give yourself that will still allow you to reach your health goals.

              And unless I haven't made myself clear...

              Primal is NOT low carb!!!!
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              • #8
                I definitely enjoy a good beer, and whisky. I have had great success with primal, even with keeping the alcohol. I don't drink every day, but I do drink some every week. Could I lose the stubborn fat more easily if I went teetotal? Maybe. But I'll take a little extra fat over no beer/whisky.

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                • #9
                  I'm with you. Sure beer is grain based, so not primal, but 80/20 is better than giving up. I'll have 1 or two drinks during the week, and two or three on the weekend. I'm certainly not a shining example of primal lifestyle, but I am slowly and steadily loosing weight without really trying, I have more energy and have gotten off my sinus medication. So a couple of beers a week hasn't totally ruined my primal lifestyle.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ghshl View Post
                    I definitely enjoy a good beer, and whisky. I have had great success with primal, even with keeping the alcohol. I don't drink every day, but I do drink some every week. Could I lose the stubborn fat more easily if I went teetotal? Maybe. But I'll take a little extra fat over no beer/whisky.
                    Same here, I was actually still a heavy drinker my first winter and still ended up a lot healthier. I think it's important to remember that this is a lifestyle diet, not a crash diet, so it's not about going nuts but about living better from day to day.

                    Timbo, nothing wrong with any of those things in moderation. In fact, coffee, dark chocolate, and booze can even be considered healthy. I'm more a fan of porters, bocks, and stouts myself, but go ahead and enjoy your ales.

                    Ghashul, bourbon, scotch, or rye?

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                    • #11
                      Thank you all for the replies, it's all been very helpful and good to see I don't have to guilt trip myself out of having the odd couple of beers a week, I am by no means overweight (5"10, and around 135 lbs) so yeah very slim, but I am looking at this as a way of improving my overall health, I still am consuming moderate dairy in the form of cheese, cream, and yoghurt, although I do not drink milk. The major thing I have stopped though is of course the grains and legumes, and anything that can conceivably have gluten in it (other than beer), and I still consume potatoes very moderately.

                      Another thing I wanted to ask was what peoples opinions are on white rice, I see it mentioned as an "allowed food" on the Perfect Health Diet, which is something else I am also looking into.

                      I'm presuming the levels of gluten in beer would be negligible compared to those in a slice of bread or pasta however?

                      I have felt a little tired and had a bit of brain fog this week, probably due to very low carbs, but I upped my carbs a bit today (had banana, apple and some dried fruit) and felt a lot better, is this normal for people?

                      Thanks again

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                      • #12
                        I don't know the stats, but I know fermentation breaks down gliadin (sic) and the other one that make up gluten, which is how cows and other grazers digest it. Beer and bourbon have less gluten, though I know they suggest Celiacs not to have either even though fermented and distilled wheat would have none, I imagine for psychosomatic reasons.

                        White rice is on par with potatoes; it doesn't have the antinutrients present in other grains, but it is pure starch. I'd suggest staying away from it, using alternatives when possible. Like anything else, you shouldn't be eating copious amounts of it.

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                        • #13
                          Almost. If you could only eat one "white" food on the island until the ship rescued you, you'd be better of with potatoes. They do have some protein. I think of white rice as, "that food that won't harm you, but won't benefit you," and maybe will help you with your food budget.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Timbobaggins View Post
                            I'm presuming the levels of gluten in beer would be negligible compared to those in a slice of bread or pasta however?
                            That is not a safe presumption to make. Anyone with celiac or who is gluten intolerant will react to beer. Alcohol is the only gluten-containing food that gives me classic intestinal symptoms.

                            I have felt a little tired and had a bit of brain fog this week, probably due to very low carbs, but I upped my carbs a bit today (had banana, apple and some dried fruit) and felt a lot better, is this normal for people?
                            Um... brain fog... A common symptom of gluten intolerance.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                              That is not a safe presumption to make. Anyone with celiac or who is gluten intolerant will react to beer. Alcohol is the only gluten-containing food that gives me classic intestinal symptoms.



                              Um... brain fog... A common symptom of gluten intolerance.
                              I haven't really consumed much of anything with gluten in it though. I had the brain fog before I had anything to drink (one beer), and as soon as I upped my carbs this went away, though it has to be said I did used to get really bad headaches and although it's early days these seem to have disappeared for some reason since cutting back on all the grains in particular.

                              But yeah, not so fussed on potatoes and white rice, I can take it or leave it but I'm just thinking it'll make options easier when celebrating and at social outings.

                              What are peoples opinions on pure fruit juice, such as orange juice, grapefruit juice etc (not from concentrate)?

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