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    Last night I saw a guy punch another guy in the face. He deserved it, but I realized as I saw it happen that I have never actually seen someone do this in real life. Seen it a million times on TV or in the movies, of course, but it's really strange to see this in real life. (Being female, it is easier to not have seen adults punch each other than if I were male of course.)

    I don't know why exactly I am mentioning this, but I guess it is because it's really weird how one thing in a fantasy portrayal is sort of meaningless but in real life it's quite shocking. I suppose there is something primal about this but I'm not sure what it is.
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    I think they fight because comparing penis size in public isn't socially acceptable.
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    • #3
      What did it sound like? The sound effect that accompanies most facepunches in films and tv are off the charts to me but possibly closer to reality than I think.....
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      • #4
        My son witnessed a fight at school last week by 2 "special aid kids" (his phrase). He was really shaken up. I think real life is very different. Apparently, one of the kids was much larger than the other, so it was even more upsetting to him. At 12 my child still thinks fights are going to be fair.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by little vase View Post
          What did it sound like? The sound effect that accompanies most facepunches in films and tv are off the charts to me but possibly closer to reality than I think.....
          Watch an MMA fight. A real punch sounds much deeper and less crunchy because of how much hollow space is in a head. It's also less pronounced - if you aren't close, you aren't likely to hear much of anything. SFX are more like slaps with mixed with a bit of bone.

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          • #6
            I got beat up fairly often as a kid. The best way I've described head blows is kind of a dull COMP sound. I tend to "hear" it strongest in that hollow bit behind the curve of my jaw, if that makes sense.

            M.

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            • #7
              as long as you aren't in the roll-around path, watching guys punch each other is good times
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              • #8
                I don't remember hearing a sound.

                I was inside a tattoo shop getting a tattoo when the apprentice starts yelling at this drunk guy, then storms out the door to the sidewalk with his fist out and just hits the guy. I was really shocked. I've never seen someone just walk up to another person and hit him like that.

                The drunk guy falls to the sidewalk and can't get up. The apprentice walks back in to lock the doors and the drunk guy says "Hey, no need to lock the doors, that was a good hit. I'll leave when I can get up." Then he leaves and comes back a few minutes later with a rod and walks into the shop threatening to break the windows. More punching which I did not see or hear ensues. The apprentice is now all bruised up on his knuckles and the other guys give him a lecture that he doesn't throw a fist properly. The apprentice apologizes profusely to me, a middle-aged woman, that he's ashamed of himself and that his mother certainly wouldn't have approved of his behavior. I thought the whole thing was pretty funny except the part with the rod and threatening to break the windows. I guess the cops never come to the tattoo shop when they call.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                  I think they fight because comparing penis size in public isn't socially acceptable.
                  it isn't? <zzziiiipp>

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                    I don't know why exactly I am mentioning this, but I guess it is because it's really weird how one thing in a fantasy portrayal is sort of meaningless but in real life it's quite shocking. I suppose there is something primal about this but I'm not sure what it is.
                    Yes, it's uncertain, isn't it? I don't know how often people living in our "first" (primal) way would use their fists. Perhaps more likely you'd either laugh at an insult or have immediate recourse to a deadly weapon.

                    I rather think fists might be more likely used on wives (and perhaps children) by the short tempered, and if there were not strong moral disapprobation for that (as there might be in some societies). If it came to outright conflict with another man perhaps you'd aim for a more serious confrontation.

                    In fact, perhaps you'd be pretty reluctant to strike a blow with your hand and knock someone down, thereby humiliating him, in a society where everyone carries weapons. You might find yourself the recipient of a hunting accident -- a "misaimed" missile weapon -- on the next hunt.



                    There are some interesting descriptions of conflict among the Eskimo in Kabloona:

                    Amazon.com: Kabloona: Gontran de Poncins, Lewis Galantiere: Books

                    Apparently, it was often precipitated by women for erotic motives -- persuading a lover to kill a husband or something of the sort. The men seemed usually to have needed quite a lot of persuading, since (according to de Poncins) the erotic touched them less, and they were quite happy so long as they had some sexual access to one (or more) women. However, paradoxically, there were cases of men killing other men for virtually no reason at all. He relates a story of a man's fur overgarment rising up and exposing his belly. Another man took one look at it, and his "hunting instincts" appeared to take over: he just saw it as a tempting target and slid a spear into it.

                    But it would be foolish to assume that all societies with the same technology -- "means of production" in the Marxian cant phrase -- are necessarily the same. People somewhere else might have been quite different.

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                    • #11
                      Last night I saw a guy punch another guy in the face. He deserved it, but I realized as I saw it happen that I have never actually seen someone do this in real life. Seen it a million times on TV or in the movies, of course, but it's really strange to see this in real life. (Being female, it is easier to not have seen adults punch each other than if I were male of course.)
                      ??

                      I have seen a good amount of fights, and women were the intended audience or instigators in a lot of them. I maintain that women like seeing men fight along the same lines that men like seeing women make out.

                      I don't know why exactly I am mentioning this, but I guess it is because it's really weird how one thing in a fantasy portrayal is sort of meaningless but in real life it's quite shocking. I suppose there is something primal about this but I'm not sure what it is.
                      Conflict resolution!

                      The build-up of tension necessary to create that specific act of aggression is really quite terrible, so in primal times, someone swinging on another dude like that probably instantly communicated to any witnesses, "Let them work this shit out." If you have ever punched anyone in the face, you can back me up here- motherfuckers hafta have it coming for you to just unload like that. The body puts checks in place so that before it comes to that, we try different more peaceful resolutions, WANT TO resolve things without it coming to that, because the chemical and psychological state is rather unpleasant and difficult to maintain.
                      "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                      Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                      • #12
                        I have seen a good amount of fights, and women were the intended audience or instigators in a lot of them. I maintain that women like seeing men fight along the same lines that men like seeing women make out.

                        In the case of men liking that, obviously it immediately communicates to the reproductive brain, "Oh yay- double the fertilization opportunity."

                        In the case of women seeing men fight, they are cued, "Oh yay- the one left standing is obviously better to fertilize me." Since they can't be fertilized by 2 men, this is what I mean by saying that they like seeing men fight the way men like seeing them touch each other.
                        "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                        Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                          I have seen a good amount of fights, and women were the intended audience or instigators in a lot of them. I maintain that women like seeing men fight along the same lines that men like seeing women make out.

                          In the case of men liking that, obviously it immediately communicates to the reproductive brain, "Oh yay- double the fertilization opportunity."

                          In the case of women seeing men fight, they are cued, "Oh yay- the one left standing is obviously better to fertilize me." Since they can't be fertilized by 2 men, this is what I mean by saying that they like seeing men fight the way men like seeing them touch each other.
                          Exactly. Except I -have- met a woman who bore fraternal twins by two different fathers.

                          Yeah.

                          In any case, I live in a sketchy part of town and fist fights happen sometimes, thereabouts 30 feet out my door. I think it's probably better that people work this thing out physically, but our culture doesn't seem to breed gracious victors much anymore. If you break up a fight before it is resolved, tensions remain - it's unfinished business - and they could escalate. If the fight resolves completely and the victor uses that as an opportunity to trash further the defeated, things could escalate, or at the very least tensions remain.

                          Thus have I always sought to amend things with whomever I've beat on. Has to be mutual, though.

                          M.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                            If you have ever punched anyone in the face, you can back me up here- motherfuckers hafta have it coming for you to just unload like that. The body puts checks in place so that before it comes to that, we try different more peaceful resolutions, WANT TO resolve things without it coming to that, because the chemical and psychological state is rather unpleasant and difficult to maintain.
                            No?

                            I have punched people in the face. Once, someone told me to. So I did. There was no check, no resolution. I just punched him. We were messing around and it was an excellent punch (really connected). Another time, I miscalculated and accidentally connected with my fiancÚ's jaw. I had intended to lightly tap him, but, not being well-practiced in taking swings, I let out a good one.

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                            • #15
                              This particular guy did have it coming. I guess he'd been causing trouble for about a week. Cops had been called numerous times without bothering to come. The one guy couldn't stand it one minute longer so he took matters into his own hands, so to speak.

                              I doubt the drunk guy even knew there was a woman in the shop. Even if he did, I'm not exactly the type of woman to inspire men to fight.
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