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  • #76
    Originally posted by happybunny View Post

    Also, I'm very skeptical of the idea that bras lead to cancer due to restriction of lymph flow. The interpretation of research seems quite dodgy. For the sake of argument, I'll grant that 24-hour bra use is correlated with increased breast cancer. But it didn't take long to find a counterargument that overweight women are far more likely to wear bras that amount of time. Guess what being overweight is correlated with? Breast cancer. So all in all, this seems like the sort of argument that reinterprets correlation as causation.
    I refused to believe there was any link between cancer and bras when I first heard about the idea many years ago because I thought the notion was stupid. I mean, not wear a bra, c'mon! And the website, itself, even says that there is no direct research proving anything.

    However, I do find the correlation very disturbing, and I do believe that restricting lymph flow, which is tremendously important to our functioning and vastly underestimated and an unknown process by most people is likely a major health issue, if not for cancer then for a lot of other health problems.

    Unfortunately, whether it's diet or giving up bras, or anything that doesn't have the potential to earn pharma millions, then we will probably never see solid research proving causation; correlation is probably the best we will ever get and it's up to us to decide what we want to do about it.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
      I have this same issue. I feel really uncomfortable with the idea of nipples showing, or feeling like they're swinging around, but when I really think about it, it infuriates me that I'm so uncomfortable with it, so I'm trying to 'force' myself to get over it a little, but it's not easy.
      In my mind, I imagine the looks I might get. I don't want that kind of attention. That says more about society's gaze than my fashion choices, I think, so it's not really "my problem". My problem is just "getting over" my mental projection of feeling others gaze on me. I'm sure not many people would notice, except for the nipples... Such a weird response to cold!

      I forgot to add in my previous post that when I work my upper body more, especially push-ups and planks, my breasts are definitely lifted a bit. I feel that there is probably an extent to which defining pectoral muscles can help with "lift", but it's still not a bad idea to keep those muscles in some kind of shape, while also ensuring to keep back muscles evenly worked (otherwise you pull your shoulders forward).
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      • #78
        To the OP, I used to work at Victoria's Secret and even if you have been measured before I think its worth going to any store that does fittings and try again. If you do decide that wearing a bra is your preference, you really should be able to find something that is comfortable. The VS measurement system is: hold the tape tight around the ribcage directly under breasts. Take that measurement and add 4 (or 5, whatever gets you to an even number). That is your band size. Then measure around the fullest part of the breast, and subtract your band size from that number. 1 inch difference is an A, 2 is a B, 3 is a C, 5 is a DD, etc. So if you are 28 inches at the ribcage and 34 inches around the fullest part, technically you are a 32B. That being said, depending on the distance between your breasts, how wide they are, and your general shape, you sometimes need a "sister size", which is the same total distance around but allocated differently. You could try a 34A or a 34 B to give yourself more width in the cup. You can also try different styles (demi vs full coverage) and different cuts (how they are designed to showcase/support you), since all of them will fit a little differently. I am a 34D and prefer to wear bras, but only if they fit correctly! Also, someone else said that the majority of the support is supposed to come from the band and that is absolutely correct. The straps should not be doing the work/should not be cutting into your shoulders. Hope that is at least a little helpful!

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        • #79
          I agree with you girls on the nipples showing issue. It ends up being a bit like the bogey on the nogey thing. People can't take their eyes off said boogey !!!!!!!!!
          My issue is more with the rubbing of said nipples on clothes. It actually hurts after a while.............
          I have never heard the link about lymph nodes/bras/cancer however I don't use underarm because I believe that it can't be good for the nodes. I have no scientific basis for my belief - but chemicals under arms, or baked on skin (sunblock) IMO can not be good for us.
          sorry just my .02 cents !!!!!
          "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

          ...small steps....

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          • #80
            Originally posted by heregoesnothing View Post
            To the OP, I used to work at Victoria's Secret and even if you have been measured before I think its worth going to any store that does fittings and try again. If you do decide that wearing a bra is your preference, you really should be able to find something that is comfortable. The VS measurement system is: hold the tape tight around the ribcage directly under breasts. Take that measurement and add 4 (or 5, whatever gets you to an even number). That is your band size. Then measure around the fullest part of the breast, and subtract your band size from that number. 1 inch difference is an A, 2 is a B, 3 is a C, 5 is a DD, etc. So if you are 28 inches at the ribcage and 34 inches around the fullest part, technically you are a 32B. That being said, depending on the distance between your breasts, how wide they are, and your general shape, you sometimes need a "sister size", which is the same total distance around but allocated differently. You could try a 34A or a 34 B to give yourself more width in the cup. You can also try different styles (demi vs full coverage) and different cuts (how they are designed to showcase/support you), since all of them will fit a little differently. I am a 34D and prefer to wear bras, but only if they fit correctly! Also, someone else said that the majority of the support is supposed to come from the band and that is absolutely correct. The straps should not be doing the work/should not be cutting into your shoulders. Hope that is at least a little helpful!
            Thanks so much Heregoesnothing! Yes, i've tried 34A and 34B. I have a small ribcage (28') and my breasts are wide so I definitely need a B cup. I was once measured as a C and that feel more comfortbale than B. HOWEVER, the problem is that my breasts are still pretty flat, in spite of being wide. (Wow, that sounds attractive!) I think I need something with a big wire, but small cups...Does that exist?!

            Still bra free! I was teaching yoga earlier so put one on for modesty but whipped it off as soon as the class was over, ha

            Not in front of people, obviously :P
            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

            - Ray Peat

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            • #81
              My two cents on the bras and cancer... It's possible, but I don't think it's probable. If that was the case wouldn't thongs be causing groin cancer?

              Cancer can be spread through the lymphatic system but it's origins are deeper than that, I believe.
              Last edited by YogaBare; 04-09-2013, 12:08 PM.
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • #82
                I have strapped my modest girls into push-up bras for years...after having lost 180lbs, they were deflated and limp like I'd breastfed a dozen babies, and low, because I have a lot of stretch marks forward of my armpits. At the age of 24, that was less than ideal. Now, whatever. I have noticed, though, that since starting eating primally they have filled out a bit, which I don't mind...they'll never be any higher than they are unless I have them lifted but, since they're only a full B cup anyway, there isn't much point.
                My mister has mentioned for years he doesn't understand why I don't go braless more, having dated a girl before me that went without all the time. His mom goes without also having been through breast cancer many years ago although she's never alluded to thinking bras have something to do with breast cancer. She just says she's more comfortable without.
                I am getting into the habit of taking my bra off when I get home for the day, but I honestly just don't think about it most times as my bras are so comfortable. That said, this thread has prompted me to look into other, less restrictive options that'll also work for (some of) my day-to-day...that said, I don't think I'll give up wearing a proper bra for work-related stuff. Nipple-age isn't an issue for me, quite the opposite...I have one that's completely inverted and one that's flat, though it will come out for a look around once in a while, without rhyme or reason (not temp-related).
                Has anyone tried Coobie bras (shopcoobie.com)? I saw an ad in a fitness mag and checked out the website...at $20-22 a crack (although I do have a coupon code), they're a little steep in comparison to some others out there, but if they're as ah-mazing as the reviews claim, it might be worth it.

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                • #83
                  YogaBare - if you do want to try bra shopping again (though it sounds like you might be able to go without!) try a 36A or 36B on the smallest possible hook. I have the same size ribcage as you (28) but I have to wear 34s and even sometimes 36s to find things that will fit my cup size (my boobs are far apart and proportionally large for my frame). Good luck!

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                  • #84
                    WellnessMama (a website) is a big fan of Coobie bras and they look a lot like the kind that I buy. The thing that I am skeptical about is they are one size fits all. I doubt they would fit someone as small as me. Keep an eye out online, sometimes they go on sale on sites like zulily.
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by heregoesnothing View Post
                      YogaBare - if you do want to try bra shopping again (though it sounds like you might be able to go without!) try a 36A or 36B on the smallest possible hook. I have the same size ribcage as you (28) but I have to wear 34s and even sometimes 36s to find things that will fit my cup size (my boobs are far apart and proportionally large for my frame). Good luck!
                      Thanks so much! I actually will try it. I go through fads all the time and being braless is probably just the latest
                      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                      - Ray Peat

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by lemontwisst View Post
                        I have strapped my modest girls into push-up bras for years...after having lost 180lbs, they were deflated and limp like I'd breastfed a dozen babies, and low, because I have a lot of stretch marks forward of my armpits. At the age of 24, that was less than ideal. Now, whatever. I have noticed, though, that since starting eating primally they have filled out a bit, which I don't mind...they'll never be any higher than they are unless I have them lifted but, since they're only a full B cup anyway, there isn't much point.
                        My mister has mentioned for years he doesn't understand why I don't go braless more, having dated a girl before me that went without all the time. His mom goes without also having been through breast cancer many years ago although she's never alluded to thinking bras have something to do with breast cancer. She just says she's more comfortable without.
                        I am getting into the habit of taking my bra off when I get home for the day, but I honestly just don't think about it most times as my bras are so comfortable. That said, this thread has prompted me to look into other, less restrictive options that'll also work for (some of) my day-to-day...that said, I don't think I'll give up wearing a proper bra for work-related stuff. Nipple-age isn't an issue for me, quite the opposite...I have one that's completely inverted and one that's flat, though it will come out for a look around once in a while, without rhyme or reason (not temp-related).
                        Has anyone tried Coobie bras (shopcoobie.com)? I saw an ad in a fitness mag and checked out the website...at $20-22 a crack (although I do have a coupon code), they're a little steep in comparison to some others out there, but if they're as ah-mazing as the reviews claim, it might be worth it.
                        Lemontwist, off topic but WOW - congrads on that weight loss! Amazing
                        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                        - Ray Peat

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                        • #87
                          I saw another bra thread on here that mentioned Coobie bras - and then I saw Coobies for $20 when I went to pick up batting gloves or running shoes or something. I figured "why not, it's $20, if it SUPER sucks, I can return it, and if I just don't like it, it's only $20."

                          The next time I went back, I bought 2 more, because they're pretty comfortable and not as unflattering as a sports bra uni-boob.... but also not the most flattering shaping.
                          When I'm a little more size-stable, I'm planning on getting some bras that are supposed to be the best fit EVAR from this hasidic woman that does the whole measure, pick out a specific bra for your size/issues/what you'll wear it with... but those are usually $50/bra, so I'm not ready to spend that when I know I'm still changing shape/size.


                          Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
                          WellnessMama (a website) is a big fan of Coobie bras and they look a lot like the kind that I buy. The thing that I am skeptical about is they are one size fits all. I doubt they would fit someone as small as me. Keep an eye out online, sometimes they go on sale on sites like zulily.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
                            I refused to believe there was any link between cancer and bras when I first heard about the idea many years ago because I thought the notion was stupid. I mean, not wear a bra, c'mon! And the website, itself, even says that there is no direct research proving anything.

                            However, I do find the correlation very disturbing, and I do believe that restricting lymph flow, which is tremendously important to our functioning and vastly underestimated and an unknown process by most people is likely a major health issue, if not for cancer then for a lot of other health problems.

                            Unfortunately, whether it's diet or giving up bras, or anything that doesn't have the potential to earn pharma millions, then we will probably never see solid research proving causation; correlation is probably the best we will ever get and it's up to us to decide what we want to do about it.
                            I've had breast cancer and had some of my lymph nodes taken out. It's interesting how I can feel the difference in circulation between the two sides.

                            I am not 100% sold on a direct causal link either but, as pointed out in that article, what if there is? Is it worth the risk.

                            Personally I don't have huge boobs and can get away with minimal or no bras so I do. (I realize this isn't the case for everyone.) The built in bra top things take care of the OMG someone might see my nipples fear. I think if at all possible, you should let the girls loose for as many hours of the day as you can. It just feels right to me.

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                            • #89
                              YogaBare, I'm going to give contradictory advice

                              My ribcage measures 31". Depending on the fit, I wear 32 or 34 for the band. This is partly because I need more support because of my cup size. Adding on 4" works for some, but not for others. Remember that you should only be able to pull the back of the band no more than 2" or so away from your back. I honestly doubt that you should be in a 34 with your ribcage measurement.

                              As for the cup: The volume of the cup in a 36B bra is the same as that of a 34C bra or 38A. You said that a C-cup was the most comfortable. You might actually be a 32C but just haven't found a brand of bra that is the right shape for you. This is a chart that compares underwire width between brands (although it's geared toward larger cup sizes): http://i.imgur.com/2UVzC.png

                              Also, have you tried non-padded/molded bras? Seamed bras are the bomb and have a little more give for the fit.

                              Last piece of advice: if you are serious about a good-fitting bra, suck it up and go to Nordstrom or the equivalent. The sales associates there know what they are doing and know a lot about how their products fit. The bras are expensive, but can last for years.

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                              • #90
                                ^Yeah, 4" would not work for me, my breasts are too small. That sounds like a really weird method to me!
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