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  • #16
    Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
    Perfect example of the Either/Or extremes we don't need to go to. Just because I said giving a person with a binge eating disorder triggered by sugar lots of sugar is irresponsible does not mean I'm advocating VLC for that person. You put words in my mouth and then attack those words.

    Stop it. Please. Just stop.
    I said adequate, not lots, in fact, I never clarified how much sugar one needs to eat. I didn't know her personal history from the original post, she mentioned it later, having known that, I would tell her what I appended in my third post. If you're not advocating that, or putting words in my mouth, what exactly are you doing? She said any amounts triggered binging, so, clearly you're advocating not eating those foods at all as a way to "control" emotional eating. I'm saying it doesn't work. Can you explain why it does?
    Last edited by Derpamix; 08-06-2013, 10:57 AM.
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    • #17
      Firstly, OP, I apologize for sidetracking.

      Advising someone with a binge eating disorder to eat lots of sugar is irresponsible.
      PaleoBird, (as Derp has mentioned) eating fruit, maple syrup, honey and and some minimally processed added sugar has helped me a great deal to overcome my binge eating disorder. Very much unlike VLC, which actually made it much, much worse. I listened to the keto-experts and kept waiting for the cravings and the almost constant hunger to disappear, all to no avail.

      Poor me, having to endure all of these mexicokes sugar and gallons of orange juice being shoved down my throat.

      Just FYI

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Graycat View Post
        Firstly, OP, I apologize for sidetracking.



        PaleoBird, (as Derp has mentioned) eating fruit, maple syrup, honey and and some minimally processed added sugar has helped me a great deal to overcome my binge eating disorder. Very much unlike VLC, which actually made it much, much worse. I listened to the keto-experts and kept waiting for the cravings and the almost constant hunger to disappear, all to no avail.

        Poor me, having to endure all of these mexicokes sugar and gallons of orange juice being shoved down my throat.

        Just FYI
        I'm happy for you.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by VacillateWildly View Post
          I haven't had my hormones tested and am waiting to have a full hormone panel done with my GP. However, my hormones are suffering and I can feel it.
          First step would be to actually find out about your mornones, it's pretty hard to know whether certain feelings in your body directly relate to hormone imbalance or not.

          Derpamix does give advice based on some Ray Peat work, which does diverge from PB, and I have read some stuff on Peat too, though not a proponent of it. Many people here feel it's not the answer. I know Derp had labs done and made a difference to the hormone balance over time.

          Advice that's not related to Peat:

          For me, I need to eat breakfast or I crash later in the day. Early calories helps me a lot, mix of fat, carbs and protein. Were you purposely doing Intermittent Fasting?

          Probiotics always seemed to make my digestion worse, not better.

          Sorry, what's "ED"?

          Try working out within your limits, and only to the point where you actively want to do more when you finish, not feel like you're dying when you finish!

          Do you know how many calories you consume roughly each day of the various macros?
          Disclaimer: I have read some info about Ray Peat and think it may help me, however if you follow any advice related to Ray Peat you may start spontaneously guzzling OJ and Mexican Coke by the gallon, eating bags of sugar with a spoon, popping aspirins 10 times a day and buying loads of stuff from him that he doesn't sell.

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          • #20
            Sorry, what's "ED"?
            I believe ED=Eating Disorder. Not the other ED

            Good luck to the OP. I think you got caught in some Peat/Non-Peat crossfire that's going on elsewhere. I don't have any advice except to see your doctor and if you think something is stress related try to destress as much as possible with either meditation, long walks outside in nature, hot baths, etc...whatever works for you. But definately get your numbers checked.

            On the ED front, have you tracked calories to make sure you are eating enough or are you confident of that?

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            • #21
              It's possible your progesterone is low because your body is stealing the progesterone to make all the cortisol you need to combat your stress. So I would focus your recovery on reducing stress, sleeping, eliminating caffeine and eating lots of high quality fats as they are an important part of making hormones.

              That being said, low progesterone can make people feel pretty crappy. It may be worth finding a good health care practitioner who can help you supplement with a progesterone cream (bioidentical, NOT the pharmaceutical kind). In the US, you can buy it over the counter without a prescription, but too much progesterone can be a problem as well and monitoring what it gets turned in to will be important (it is the precursor for many of your hormones).

              Finally, sex is a great stress reliever. I wouldn't cut back on that at all
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              • #22
                Originally posted by lea View Post
                I believe ED=Eating Disorder. Not the other ED

                But definately get your numbers checked.

                On the ED front, have you tracked calories to make sure you are eating enough or are you confident of that?
                These are good points. If it's a diagnosed eating disorder, you probably need proper medical supervision/input, both in terms of diet and in terms of the mind and how you think about food.

                With eating disorder, your hormones will be completely out of whack. You need to get your diet back on track before jumping onto hormones and drugs.

                Tracking calories is super useful, an active woman I guess would want to get 1500 calories at least in the day. I aim for 2800-3000 for maintenance (190pound male), a bit more when I workout. If you're recovering and your body needs feeding, I guess up to 2000 calories, perhaps others can help here?

                At the gym I go to, there's a girl who is there EVERY time I go, spends about two hours there, doing cardio and yoga with light weights. She has a beautiful face, but weighs I guess around 70pounds (a girl buddy of mine weighs around 105 and is significantly larger than her). It's heartbreaking. The girl is slight anyway, but really needs to put on around 30-40 pounds, but I assume in her mind she needs to keep restricting calories and working out to stay "slim".
                Disclaimer: I have read some info about Ray Peat and think it may help me, however if you follow any advice related to Ray Peat you may start spontaneously guzzling OJ and Mexican Coke by the gallon, eating bags of sugar with a spoon, popping aspirins 10 times a day and buying loads of stuff from him that he doesn't sell.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                  Advising someone with a binge eating disorder to eat lots of sugar is irresponsible.
                  +1. One wouldn't advise a junkie to shoot up more. One wouldn't advise a drunk to drink to satiation. On some levels both of those are easier to cure because you can live without heroin and alcohol. You can't put the tiger in the closet with food. You have to eat. A person with an eating disorder should first see an MD to see if there's a physical reason. If not, then they should find a shrink or psychologist who has actually had some success with helping people. Or even read about others' success stories that are verified.

                  Thinking that everything can be cured with a change in food is dangerous. And asking strangers on a forum that can barely stick to a topic these days is useless.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                    Yes, because one gets better from an eating disorder by continuously denying themselves huge amounts of healthy food. We've all seen how well that goes... If one needs personal evidence of it, simply look at Graycat, Yogabare, et al at how well they felt managing their ED by using overly restrictive diets like VLC.

                    If eating fruit creates a wild craving for more fruit, it's probably a sign that you perhaps need that particular food. I guarantee if you keep binging on fruit, eventually you'll get bored of it and stop doing it. It's only when you keep denying yourself food you want to eat, is when the problem escalates. I would just stop feeling bad about binging if it happens.
                    ?
                    I struggled with an ED for almost 10 years. This makes a lot of sense.

                    YogaBare's primal journal details a lot about overcoming binge eating that really inspired me. I read it only recently, and wish I had this kind of support back then.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by girlhk View Post
                      I struggled with an ED for almost 10 years. This makes a lot of sense.

                      YogaBare's primal journal details a lot about overcoming binge eating that really inspired me. I read it only recently, and wish I had this kind of support back then.
                      Overcoming binge eating by allowing yourself a piece of fruit (instead of the cookies or cakes) is great.

                      This is not what Primal peeps have a problem with. We have a problem with the Peat peeps advocating eating straight sugar or some sugar beverage like sweetened OJ or sweetened milk or Coke.


                      If this strategy works for you, awesome. Then there are other anecdotes of people here who would be trying to stick to a weight loss plan and a piece of fruit would send them right into the cakes and cookies. I don't pretend to know that much about this disorder, just what I have read here and experienced second hand because my sister almost died of an ED.

                      I just think that each person needs to find what works for them, not be told by some stranger on the internet to eat more sugar and all will be well.

                      I wish you well in finding what works for you.
                      Last edited by Paleobird; 08-08-2013, 12:00 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Paleobird View Post

                        I just think that each person needs to find what works for them, not be told by some stranger on the internet to eat more sugar and all will be well.
                        This is true.

                        HFLC primal actually helped a lot with overcoming ED for me. Especially natural IF-ing. I liked to be able to eat until food and not think about food for a long time. And I was eating a low-fat diet for so long, the high fat foods was a huge part of the recovery. I was fine for about 2 years w/ about 50-70% of diet in fat, 20-25% in protein, and low carb (usually 50-80g range). It was only in the last few months I began to feel somewhat sluggish, and feel great after eating lots of the fresh tropical fruit around.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by girlhk View Post
                          This is true.

                          HFLC primal actually helped a lot with overcoming ED for me. Especially natural IF-ing. I liked to be able to eat until food and not think about food for a long time. And I was eating a low-fat diet for so long, the high fat foods was a huge part of the recovery. I was fine for about 2 years w/ about 50-70% of diet in fat, 20-25% in protein, and low carb (usually 50-80g range). It was only in the last few months I began to feel somewhat sluggish, and feel great after eating lots of the fresh tropical fruit around.
                          Terrific. It sounds like HFLC primal helped you heal your metabolism to the point where something like fresh fruit is a great addition to your diet.

                          There is an MDA poster who used to post a lot but not so much lately named MamaGrok. Her's is the most inspirational story I have ever heard of overcoming what had been a life threatening binge eating disorder. She was the first person who really convinced me (back when I was a noob around here) that binge eating really is a disorder and not just a failure of willpower.

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                          • #28
                            I was wanting to check in with the original poster of this thread. How are things going for you?

                            I'm going to be talking with my NP in just a few minutes about balancing out my hormones.

                            I needed to go off birth control for two months so that I can get the lab tests. Sadly, I've gained 7-8 lbs and my pants aren't fitting. It's all been in the hips and waist. So discouraging. I'm looking into my options, but the idea of spending $100/month on bio identical hormones may just be out of our budget. I see two other options-continue as is using Vitex and Primal and hope the weight gain stops or go back on birth control and suppress everything, but not get to the root of the problem.
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