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    When I told a friend about this new caveman diet I was going to do, He said that is Great! Cavemen only lived till 25!

    What gives? Is this true? Have we all lost our mind?

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    There's a number of threads currently on how cavemen (hunter / gatherers) lived. I believe the number given is around 30, but that's an average, including all the infant and child deaths and deaths in childbirth, and deaths from infections. So if you made it through childhood and didn't break a bone or get otherwise infected, cavemen typically lived well into their 90's in robust good health.

    BTW a friend is thinking of moving to Nashville. Are there grass-fed meat available there, how about organic foods?
    "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cryptocode View Post
      There's a number of threads currently on how cavemen (hunter / gatherers) lived. I believe the number given is around 30, but that's an average, including all the infant and child deaths and deaths in childbirth, and deaths from infections. So if you made it through childhood and didn't break a bone or get otherwise infected, cavemen typically lived well into their 90's in robust good health.

      BTW a friend is thinking of moving to Nashville. Are there grass-fed meat available there, how about organic foods?
      There is plenty of healthy food options, whole foods stores farmers markets etc.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mr. Slate View Post
        When I told a friend about this new caveman diet I was going to do, He said that is Great! Cavemen only lived till 25!
        LOL, oh no the dreaded question!

        This is just an automatic response people blurt out to try to look smart. I swear a solid 60%+ of people will blurt this out. Not like they are anthropologists...just repeating a number they heard in high school or where ever...

        Get used to hearing it.

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        • #5
          It's the average, brought down by infant mortality. Toss out the deaths before age 5 and the number rises significantly. Modern HG's (before westernized) regularly live into their 70's and 80's just fine, on what they get from hunting and gathering.
          Crohn's, doing SCD

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mr. Slate View Post
            When I told a friend about this new caveman diet I was going to do, He said that is Great! Cavemen only lived till 25!

            What gives? Is this true? Have we all lost our mind?
            I could refute the 'caveman' fallacy about expected lifespan, but I won't choose that long explanation.

            Tell him you're following the Weston A Price Foundation, except you don't eat soaked/fermented grains and beans. He studied super healthy humans living very long lives on these traditional diets.

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            • #7
              saber tooth cats

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              • #8
                If you had a baby, raised it in a cave with absolutely no visits to a doctor, made him forage for his own food shortly after weaning, made him drink from poop-filled mud puddles and live in an area filled with large predators--he'd be lucky to make it to 25.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cryptocode View Post
                  So if you made it through childhood and didn't break a bone or get otherwise infected, cavemen typically lived well into their 90's in robust good health.
                  I highly doubt it, but why not hundreds of years then, like some of the biblical personages? Any evidence for your claims?
                  "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                  - Schopenhauer

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                    I highly doubt it, but why not hundreds of years then, like some of the biblical personages? Any evidence for your claims?
                    The evdience comes from studies that became lectures in various conferences filmed and on youtube. They're still available.

                    The biblical personages, like Metheusala(sp?), are quite interesting. In one of Michael Crichton's "Travels" he visited a HG tribe in New Guina. They didn't understand even the concept of time and weren't interested. They understood seasons, but not years. I have no idea when Metheusala was supposed to have lived.
                    Last edited by Cryptocode; 03-28-2013, 11:00 AM.
                    "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cryptocode View Post
                      The evdience comes from studies that became lectures in various conferences filmed and on youtube. They're still available.
                      Oh, it must be true then, especially if it is published on youtube...
                      "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                      - Schopenhauer

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                      • #12
                        More data than anyone could ever want on the topic. I don't have time to wade thru it though...if someone boils it down a short answer let us know:

                        http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/faculty/gur...lan2007pdr.pdf

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                          I highly doubt it, but why not hundreds of years then, like some of the biblical personages? Any evidence for your claims?
                          It's pretty easy to determine an individual's general age by features of the bones. I've taken a look at a few Cro-Magnon bones (well, casts of them anyway) and some of them were from really old people, at least 80. It's kinda hard to tell after a certain age, but they were basically old as dirt. It's not a secret that very old age was indeed possible for ancient people. But, I don't have the casts to show you, so you can take my word for it or you can look them up yourself, I'm sure photos are available on teh interwebz.

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                          • #14
                            if not struck by injury or disease (which could each kill grok pretty quickly), no reason for him not to be lounging about in his 70s+. but broken bones or infections were certain death.

                            as a more recent example, take a look at how old our us colonial presidents were at death. yeah, yeah, not hunting saber-tooth tigers, but living well past 80 in the 18th and 19th centuries.
                            As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                            Ernest Hemingway

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                            • #15
                              Grok didn't have (but we do):

                              - Nearly guaranteed access to water and food.
                              - Nearly guaranteed access to shelter.
                              - Access to emergency medical services.
                              - Access to all of the wonders that have decreased child mortality.
                              - Protection and distance from any real predator.
                              - Rule of law (well humans did have this, but nowhere near the current extent)

                              Probably some more that I'm missing... But anyways, to use the cavemen's longevity as proof against a diet is stupid. They lived day by day not knowing if they would survive.

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