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  • #31
    Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
    Hm... I didn't know how to answer that. I have always attributed it to a chemical issue. I've been going to therapy regularly for almost a year now, though, so maybe I will have a better answer soon .

    One answer could be that my family is incredibly passive aggressive.
    My turn toward Primal was for much the same reason, albeit I wanted to lose weight too.

    I'm now a bit cautious about thinking I can change me head by changing my diet. In psychology there's always been a brain/mind split. The brain path is to treat your "disorder" as primarily a chemical process. This leads you to pharmaceuticals. But it can also lead you to better nutriton, exercise, fresh-air-and-sunshine, etc...

    The "mind" side is what traditional psychology has been about -- talk therapy, reflection, etc..

    Right now, the "brain" side has taken the lead. We've all heard the Woody Allen jokes about being in psychotherapy for years and getting nowhere. And the science of the brain has advanced a lot.

    But, IMO, it's a mistake to dismiss the "mind" side. The brain side means you don't have to deal with painful stuff. But I think it's dealing with that stuff that provides the biggest breakthrough. Right now I'm reading several Jungian books aimed at men. And they're eye-opening. I'm seeing a shrink and journaling. In the journals, I'm writing down select incidents from my life that carry shame and guilt. It's not fun. But it's cathartic. Nobody will see these, probably not even my shrink. But it's liberating.

    I'm an atheist but I've come to realize that our modern culture's determinist view of humanity has taken us on a wrong turn. Rational choice theory, selfish genes, etc.. are ridiculously reductionist. Your brain's more than chemicals. Citizens are more than consumers. You are more than your genes.

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    • #32
      My husband had gut issues, his naturopath told him to go gluten free. I did some research online to see what would work for our family. I found paleo and that brought me to primal. This one seemed most in alignment with how we function and think about things, so this is what we decided to do!

      It's been great. Our lives have dramatically improved in 1,000 ways.

      Also, we had just moved to NZ. Moving to NZ improved our lives in 1,000 ways too.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
        There's two pieces you need to get chuggin': the mind and the soul. The mind is knowledge of the world, and a logical ability to reason through problems. These are found empirically and rationally. The soul is the fire that burns; it's a faith and intuition-based approach. You can find the mind through reading; it shouldn't take too long if you know what to look for. I could give you advice. The soul is found by returning to your past, recognizing your identity, and moving forward positively on a day to day basis.
        1. Blamming all our economic problems on wars is really narrowing the problem unrealistically. Anyway, Jackson completely paid off all war debts incurred up incurred up through his administration. It can be done.

        2. Is the mind merely a product of the actions of the brain, or not. Does the mind initiate thought, or does the brain (chemically)? This is a discussion I've had a zillion times and don't want to include here.

        3. The soul - could be fire (energy) (Hewbrews, Zoroastrians, Persians, etc.) , the mind (Christians, Gnostics, Early Greeks) , the unconscious (Freud, Jung, etc.) To personally answer this question it is necessary to have some concept of God or the Cosmos (Early Astrology is an example in the Ancients).
        I am curently reading "Panchadasi, A Vedanta Classic" by Vidyaranya, and "The Sambandha Bartika of Sureb" by Sures Varacharya.

        These subjects do not address my question. Why are you (personally) here? As explained it is a psychological question, not a religious one or a bio-chemical one.

        I think you have a lot to learn. I think you are very intelligent and you're thinking. Keep it up. Perhaps you have a new person to meet - yourself. Getting to know yourself is a great adventure in itself, it also goes a long way to improving you relationships with other people, who, after all, are much like you.

        Economic Question: "What is money?".
        Last edited by Cryptocode; 03-27-2013, 03:46 PM.
        "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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        • #34
          Originally posted by MEversbergII View Post
          Crypto: My Achilles tendons are too short, which brings my heels permanently off the ground and prevents be from being able to bring my toes upwards towards my shin. Subsequently, that muscle that runs along the shin is weak because I can't really use it. It makes it more difficult to keep balance when still and makes climbing stairs, doing squats and "lifting with my legs" something else. There is no solution, because I am too old for a doctor to want to approve operation on me. I've even tried stretching the tendon with a strap tied around the ball of the foot and hauling back with all I've got. It's like iron, I swear.

          M.

          EDIT: I do have psychological issues - motivation related, anyways.
          I'd never head of toe-walking. Did you know that horseback riders deal with this problem. Watch them in the Olympics, especially the jumping classes. All riders have to go through a process of lenghtening their achillies tendon in order to get their heels lower than the balls of their feet (which are in the stirrups) so that the inner leg muscle is tightened against the sides of the horse. Put the ball of a foot on a step or stair and bounce up and down on it. (It takes a year or more to get it really lenghtened.)

          Are you older than I am? Retirement is fantastic. I do whatever I want, most often not much.
          Last edited by Cryptocode; 03-27-2013, 03:48 PM.
          "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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          • #35
            Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
            Hm... I didn't know how to answer that. I have always attributed it to a chemical issue. I've been going to therapy regularly for almost a year now, though, so maybe I will have a better answer soon .

            One answer could be that my family is incredibly passive aggressive.
            Therapy can be very helpful, it usually takes years (for those who don't want to confront themselves), or it can go faster.
            Last edited by Cryptocode; 03-27-2013, 03:55 PM.
            "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Rojo View Post
              My turn toward Primal was for much the same reason, albeit I wanted to lose weight too.

              I'm now a bit cautious about thinking I can change me head by changing my diet. In psychology there's always been a brain/mind split. The brain path is to treat your "disorder" as primarily a chemical process. This leads you to pharmaceuticals. But it can also lead you to better nutriton, exercise, fresh-air-and-sunshine, etc...

              The "mind" side is what traditional psychology has been about -- talk therapy, reflection, etc..

              Right now, the "brain" side has taken the lead. We've all heard the Woody Allen jokes about being in psychotherapy for years and getting nowhere. And the science of the brain has advanced a lot.

              But, IMO, it's a mistake to dismiss the "mind" side. The brain side means you don't have to deal with painful stuff. But I think it's dealing with that stuff that provides the biggest breakthrough. Right now I'm reading several Jungian books aimed at men. And they're eye-opening. I'm seeing a shrink and journaling. In the journals, I'm writing down select incidents from my life that carry shame and guilt. It's not fun. But it's cathartic. Nobody will see these, probably not even my shrink. But it's liberating.

              I'm an atheist but I've come to realize that our modern culture's determinist view of humanity has taken us on a wrong turn. Rational choice theory, selfish genes, etc.. are ridiculously reductionist. Your brain's more than chemicals. Citizens are more than consumers. You are more than your genes.
              Agreed. Scientists that study the brain have come up with many 'answers', but they have not, to date, found any way to explain consciousness, nor any indication of it's existance. Yet, we know personally and absolutely, that we are conscious. We also know when we are 'loosing consciousness'. IMO there is much, much more to the world (cosmos) than the physical properties. There's a most interesting book "The Origin of Consciousness in the breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" by Julian Jaynes.
              Last edited by Cryptocode; 03-27-2013, 03:35 PM.
              "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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              • #37
                Originally posted by zoebird View Post
                Also, we had just moved to NZ. Moving to NZ improved our lives in 1,000 ways too.
                Why did you move to NZ?
                "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Cryptocode View Post
                  1. Blamming all our economic problems on wars is really narrowing the problem unrealistically. Anyway, Jackson completely paid off all war debts incurred up incurred up through his administration. It can be done.

                  2. Is the mind merely a product of the actions of the brain, or not. Does the mind initiate thought, or does the brain (chemically)? This is a discussion I've had a zillion times and don't want to include here.

                  3. The soul - could be fire (energy) (Hewbrews, Zoroastrians, Persians, etc.) , the mind (Christians, Gnostics, Early Greeks) , the unconscious (Freud, Jung, etc.) To personally answer this question it is necessary to have some concept of God or the Cosmos (Early Astrology is an example in the Ancients).
                  I am curently reading "Panchadasi, A Vedanta Classic" by Vidyaranya, and "The Sambandha Bartika of Sureb" by Sures Varacharya.

                  These subjects do not address my question. Why are you (personally) here? As stated it is a psychological question, not a religious one.
                  1. Andrew Jackson? The United States was still growing at that point. Like I said, gaining resources (of which, land is a type) is practically the only way to pay off a war, free-and-clear.

                  2. The mind and the brain are one and the same, so I don't know what your objection is to what I said, and I don't know what your own point is either.

                  3. I'm not speaking metaphysically when i say "soul" or "mind". These are both physical elements of what is contained in your cranium.

                  Is it not a religious question? Or could it be that people in society are taught not to dare discuss religion with strangers because people get so steadfast and angry with their beliefs?

                  What is religion? Religion comes from the latin root, "religare", which means "to connect or bind". Knowledge of everything in this world is unattainable for any one person, and most only get to know a small fraction. Religion is what connects these fragments of your world and gives you a full, satisfied outlook on life. It's naturally human to be religious, and the atheists and nihilists who ignore this are generally depressed. You must have a view! A goal! A stance! Without, what are you? That's religion.

                  My god is human achievement. My priests are all who achieve. My commandments teach self-actualization, which is to fulfill your full potential.

                  MarksDailyApple was a website that taught me about certain elements of health when I knew so much less. Health is an element of self-actualization.

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                  • #39
                    There are basically 5 ways of achieving knowledge:
                    1- faith, tenacity= clinging to a belief regardless of what you learn
                    2- authority, trusting others= believing what others say (hopefully they are smart)
                    3- inuition= creating knowledge without reason
                    4- rational, logical reasoning= using logic to create knowledge
                    5- empirical= observing results time after time and creating a theory or rule on why these results occur

                    It's easy for a smart person to get caught in the trap of thinking totally empirically and rationally about everything in life. I've come to find out that your body/brain does not function best that way. There are certain things that you just have to accept inuitively/faithfully, and these are the very simple elements of your religion, which binds your world together.. I already mentioned what my religion is, and I think you will find those beliefs to be positive and high quality in nature.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by wiltondeportes View Post
                      There are basically 5 ways of achieving knowledge:
                      1- faith, tenacity= clinging to a belief regardless of what you learn
                      2- authority, trusting others= believing what others say (hopefully they are smart)
                      3- inuition= creating knowledge without reason
                      4- rational, logical reasoning= using logic to create knowledge
                      5- empirical= observing results time after time and creating a theory or rule on why these results occur
                      (I edited my last response to you.) OK. I used 1, 3 and 5 (I've had a number of unexplainable experiences). BTW, I like your list.

                      Are you ever going to answer my question. Or did you come only to learn and as you state, you have learned.
                      Last edited by Cryptocode; 03-27-2013, 04:09 PM.
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                      • #41
                        A year ago, all I wanted was to not care about food so much. I was sick of being fat, worried I had developed rheumatoid arthritis or fibromyalgia and feeling like the rest of my life was going to be a steady, miserable decline. I made good progress eating less and better for 4 months when I found MDA following a recipe link. The pressure of counting calories had brought me to an appreciation of nutrient density that I hadn't seen articulated outside of primal/paleo philosophy, so the MDA forums felt like an extraordinary resource.

                        Ironically, I care more about food than I ever have before, but I care less about eating. I'm at a normal weight, out of pain and see staying here as almost effortless. DH and I have joined a CSA, found a couple of nearby farms for 70% or so of our meat and have become much more selective about where we eat out. I can't understand why this was so hard for me before. I could have been slender and healthy my whole f-ing life. Water under the bridge. Take a deep breath. Look forward.
                        50yo, 5'3"
                        SW-195
                        CW-125, part calorie counting, part transition to primal
                        GW- Goals are no longer weight-related

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                        • #42
                          Sick and tired of being sick and tired! And gas, having my face covered in cystic boils, snoring, seasonal allergies, walking with a cane at the age of 25, perpetuating disease processes, etc. I'm here to make sure I keep knowing what I learned and don't throw it all away. I want to be here to watch these silly pink monkeys make messes as long as I can. I want my own offspring to grow up feeling great instead of obese and hungry and hurting the way I did. I'm here because I took the pill, left the matrix, and have no reason to go back.
                          Crohn's, doing SCD

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by zoebird View Post
                            Also, we had just moved to NZ. Moving to NZ improved our lives in 1,000 ways too.
                            +1
                            Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                            Griff's cholesterol primer
                            5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                            Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                            TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                            bloodorchid is always right

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Cryptocode View Post
                              Why did you have a heart attack? What problems that the heart attack solve?
                              Sorry, your questions are nonsense. The heart attack solved nothing. It just pointed me in a different direction
                              Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

                              Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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                              • #45
                                Ok cryptocode. I think I'm catching on.....

                                Psychologically... Why am I here.... why am I fat. I was starved as a baby. Not intentionally. The first month of my life I was literally starving. I supposedly didn't like my mother's milk and it took them awhile to really figure it out. I wasn't made aware of this until my teenage years. When I was informed of this... it made sense why I couldn't stop manically eating. I can remember feeling like I could never get enough. As early as five years old, I remember feeling panic because someone took away the food.

                                My entire family abused food to soothe their emotions. It's the pattern I grew up with. Sad? Here's some cake. Happy? Here's some cake. I am here to break this psychological barrier. I am here to finally break the cycle.

                                And yes, I'm sure a lot of MY emotional eating had a lot to do with family issues. I have done a lot of digging into those over the years. Feelings of abandonment fro my father. He was gone a lot with his job. Mom knew it effected me differently. Lack of self worth in my sister's shadow. Abusing food helped me deal with these at the time. Didn't solve anything. Just put a bandaid on the real issue. It's painful digging this stuff up. But, I believe to grow, we must.
                                Last edited by Gladmorning; 03-27-2013, 06:50 PM.
                                The process is simple: Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

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