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    I have recently been thinking over sex in the context of primitive survival. A female, especially with a child, without a male protector, would not survive. Females would have needed to make sure that they had a partner who was going to stick around before mating. Fathers and uncles and brothers would know this and beat to a pulp anyone who tried to do otherwise. So why then, does it seem that so many males want to spread their seed far and wide? Why is it so hard to find a guy who will not require sex in order to decide if he wants a realtionship?

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    Originally posted by Susie View Post
    I have recently been thinking over sex in the context of primitive survival. A female, especially with a child, without a male protector, would not survive. Females would have needed to make sure that they had a partner who was going to stick around before mating. Fathers and uncles and brothers would know this and beat to a pulp anyone who tried to do otherwise. So why then, does it seem that so many males want to spread their seed far and wide? Why is it so hard to find a guy who will not require sex in order to decide if he wants a realtionship?
    I think you have some misconceptions about tribal life, and are drawing some unfounded conclusions.
    The Champagne of Beards

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    • #3
      I'd be interested in your conceptions.

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      • #4
        I don't see the point in comparing sex now to back then.

        I do feel your assuming way too much too.

        How do you define relationship?
        Caution! My replies may contain traces of nuts!. My posts are just my opinion based on my experience with the primal way of life, there is no assurance it will work with others in the same way.

        Started Primal 15th October 2012
        Height 5'9"
        Start weight 200lb
        Loss so far 33.8lbs, now 166.2lb
        Goal was 168lb's

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        • #5
          Well, for one thing tribal life is a security system in itself. You don't 'move away' from parents, grandparents or siblings in the same way that people do today. Food would be shared between family, as not everybody would be able to hunt. If you could only rely on the father of your children, then widowed women would also be in severe danger, which would be a very bad thing considering the mortality rate at the time.

          You'd have SEVERAL male protectors - plus several female protectors. That's the point of tribal living, you'll always have someone to watch your back. You contribute with what you can, they do the same, and it all sums up to a situation that would be relatively secure compared to the alternative.

          Besides, this assumes that all tribal societies even live in life-long couples. That isn't the case. I once read about a tribe in Asia where the female is expected to have sex with other men beside her husband. According to belief, once she gets pregnant, the fetus need to be 'reinforced' with the sperm of other men, so that, in a sense, all the men who had sex with her is the fathers of the child. Therefore all the men of the tribe is expected to look after all the children, since they are essentially their own. There are many such instances and they don't always work the same way. Life-long monogamy is really a far-fetched thing in a world with so many variables.

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          • #6
            I was just attempting to make sense of the phenomenon I described. Promiscuity does not seem to promote survival to me, but who knows? I don't recall that far back. I am not assuming anything, just exploring.

            I guess I would think a relationship would be more than just having a good time, that there would be some commitment and responsibility along with it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Susie View Post
              I'd be interested in your conceptions.
              That primitive people lived in social structures known as tribes, and tended to adhere to the rules and customs of their respective tribes with regard to such matters. And that males have very little investment in "spreading their seed," and are therefore likely to be built by natural selection with a strong desire for doing so, as their genes have much to gain from the practice.
              The Champagne of Beards

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Susie View Post
                I guess I would think a relationship would be more than just having a good time, that there would be some commitment and responsibility along with it.
                I feel the same. But sex is natural for a healthy relationship.
                Caution! My replies may contain traces of nuts!. My posts are just my opinion based on my experience with the primal way of life, there is no assurance it will work with others in the same way.

                Started Primal 15th October 2012
                Height 5'9"
                Start weight 200lb
                Loss so far 33.8lbs, now 166.2lb
                Goal was 168lb's

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                • #9
                  My thought on this is that if you're going to blame the male of the species, you ought to put blame on the female as well. It does take two and with the advancements of modern science, somebody better carry protection. If not, you deserve what happens.

                  A good percentage of my friends growing up came from divorced/single mother households. When these people grew up and had kids, most of them became divorced/single parents. The few that aren't divorced/single parents, it seemed that their parents had successful second or third marriages and they learned from those examples. My mother became a widow at age 51, when I was 10 and my husband's mother has been married and divorced thrice. We are the rare example of a couple that has been together over 16 years and one of us came from a divorced home. He was able to see a successful marriage through his grandparents. I'm basically saying, you're going to do as you were taught in your formative years.
                  Georgette

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                  • #10
                    Agreed. I guess it's a chicken or the egg question.

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                    • #11
                      That last was a reply to Richard.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Susie View Post
                        Agreed. I guess it's a chicken or the egg question.
                        I'v never been into casual relationships. The sex part of a relationship does not have to be on the first date does it.
                        Caution! My replies may contain traces of nuts!. My posts are just my opinion based on my experience with the primal way of life, there is no assurance it will work with others in the same way.

                        Started Primal 15th October 2012
                        Height 5'9"
                        Start weight 200lb
                        Loss so far 33.8lbs, now 166.2lb
                        Goal was 168lb's

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                        • #13
                          No, but is it unreasonable to not want to be taken on a test drive before the person decides if they want to be with you?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Susie View Post
                            No, but is it unreasonable to not want to be taken on a test drive before the person decides if they want to be with you?
                            I totally Agree Susie. While sex is a healthy part of the whole relationship thing, test drives arn't my idea of romantic at all, and can spoil what perhaps could be a good relationship if done too soon.
                            Caution! My replies may contain traces of nuts!. My posts are just my opinion based on my experience with the primal way of life, there is no assurance it will work with others in the same way.

                            Started Primal 15th October 2012
                            Height 5'9"
                            Start weight 200lb
                            Loss so far 33.8lbs, now 166.2lb
                            Goal was 168lb's

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Susie View Post
                              No, but is it unreasonable to not want to be taken on a test drive before the person decides if they want to be with you?
                              I can't fathom committing to being with someone with whom I might not be sexually compatible. I don't think it's immoral or unfair to consider the sexual aspect of a relationship important, and I personally resent any implication to that effect.
                              The Champagne of Beards

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