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  • #16
    DH told me about a month ago about a law in Arizona limiting cats to 4/per household, but I can't find anything online about it. We would be screwed since we have 5 ATM. We only have one that goes outside and she is especially fond of squirrels and rabbits, heads only, we just get the decapitated bodies. I'm pretty sure rabbits and squirrels are practically pests in our ecosystem though.

    I will trust New Zealanders to assess the ecological impact of cat predation where they are. I have no clue what their issues are.
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    • #17
      the cats around here must just be terminally stupid, they never kill anything but the cleanliness of my car with their little furry feets

      Originally posted by MikeAtTaree View Post
      Australia where I live also has a feral cat population and kitty hunting in national parks is a popular sport. Boom, oh watch it's head explode.
      you made me do this

      beautiful
      yeah you are

      Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
      lol

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      • #18
        Didn't Hawaii try to control a rat problem with introduction of the mongoose, only to be overrun with them? Get rid of the cats and we'll be ass deep in bird shit.

        Lizzielou, don't pay that nonsense any mind. All/always/no/never statements are rarely true. There are even some really great people from Jersey, though you'd never know it from the OP.

        ETA: started composing post before bloodorchid posted. Girlfriend, as long as you're passing out those monitors from people squirting coffee, etc. on to them while reading your posts, send one my way. LOL!
        Last edited by JoanieL; 03-11-2013, 04:53 PM.
        "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Derpamix View Post


          Fuck off Australia. You should worry more about the spiders there wiping you out than stray cats.
          Spiders are fine, it's the drop-bears we have to watch out for. If you ever visit, don't walk under trees.

          PS I love cats myself, they taste like rabbit.
          Last edited by MikeAtTaree; 03-11-2013, 05:37 PM. Reason: additional info

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
            What do you have against cats that you would impose a life sentence on them for no reason?
            We don't allow our dogs to run free preying on the local wildlife and we shouldn't allow our cats to either. Never mind the dangers to the cats themselves. Keeping cats indoors is only "a life sentence" if you're an irresponsible or inattentive owner. Provide an enriching stimulating indoor environment for them. Give them a screened in porch, cat habitat, or somewhere safe where they are still outside but secured. Or you could teach them to walk on a leash. Both my cats are leash trained. One of them will walk anywhere with me just like my dogs do.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Lizzielou View Post
              I'm sure if I came on here and made the statement that "wow American's are dumb as shit" I'd be slammed in a major way, its just plain rude.
              Not from me. I work with the public in the states, and there are a whole lot of Americans that really are dumb as shit.

              Okay, and some that aren't...
              Last edited by RitaRose; 03-12-2013, 05:45 AM.
              Durp.

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              • #22
                Because The Oatmeal is hilarious...here ya go. This site will answer all of your questions.

                How much do cats actually kill? [Infographic] - The Oatmeal

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                • #23
                  My cats are a serious threat to mice, chipmunks, flies, and any other pests unfortunate to come around the house. Just the way I like it.

                  When I was a kid, our dog did the same, eliminating raccoons, possums, stray cats, woodchucks, snakes, and (unfortunately for our olfactory senses) the occasional skunk. That's sorta what having a cat or dog is for in country parts. Ridding your home of unwanted pests.
                  Last edited by Diana Renata; 03-11-2013, 07:03 PM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by LauraSB View Post
                    DH told me about a month ago about a law in Arizona limiting cats to 4/per household, but I can't find anything online about it. We would be screwed since we have 5 ATM. We only have one that goes outside and she is especially fond of squirrels and rabbits, heads only, we just get the decapitated bodies. I'm pretty sure rabbits and squirrels are practically pests in our ecosystem though. I will trust New Zealanders to assess the ecological impact of cat predation where they are. I have no clue what their issues are.
                    I've never heard of any law limiting us to just 4 cats - sounds like something someone made up to add to the growing list of embarrassments this state makes...
                    I have 6 cats, all are indoor cats for THEIR safety. We have coyotes, bobcats, hawks and owls regularly passing by. I lost one cat (he slipped out unnoticed) to a coyote 11 years ago and the memory is still painful. We also have a resident pair of roadrunners who have nested in the same saguaro next to our house for the last 4-5 years. They may be fast, but they don't fly and cats are a threat to them. I'll take the joy of watching this roadrunner pair and their young every spring over letting my cats go outside...
                    "Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait, wait. I'm worried what you just heard was, 'Give me a lot of bacon and eggs.' What I said was, 'Give me all the bacon and eggs you have'. Do you understand?" - Ron Swanson

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                    • #25
                      Ok now I am going to let it ride and bet internet repuation that Verichip is behind it, and in the near-future we will have widespread state-level or federal mandatory pet chipping.
                      "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                      Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                      • #26
                        if they were gonna make chipping mandatory they'd've done it several years back when chipping became 'popular'
                        beautiful
                        yeah you are

                        Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                        lol

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                        • #27
                          They always need time to streamline the process and shit, work out who gets what pork from the mandates and state-licensed-approved vendors, reconfigure enforcement agencies, whatever. Maybe they didn't have the production capacity also.
                          "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                          Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                          • #28
                            Also the great-many, passive humanoid flesh-lumps a few years ago had not been hypnotically optimized by uoloaded electronic shared hysteria immersion to remain receptive to this specific outrage.
                            "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                            Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by MikeAtTaree View Post
                              Clearly the OP has little knowledge of the world outside Noo Joyzie but for his edification:

                              New Zealand, being an isolated group of islands, has no native mammals so introduced species such as rats, possums and particularly cats wreak havoc on the native animals that do exist. Many birds are ground living - as they had no native predators - so cats are pretty catastrophic (yeah) especially when they go feral.

                              So Kiwis are not dumb - the kiwi is actually a large flightless bird and would no doubt be a good feed for Fluffles if you let him out. Australia where I live also has a feral cat population and kitty hunting in national parks is a popular sport. Boom, oh watch it's head explode. In the USA of course you have real kick ass native predators that love cat if they can get hold of one, so the problem doesn't really exist.
                              Hi, cat-loving ecologist here. I can confirm that OP has no clue what he's talking about. Mike has the right idea. I had the pleasure of meeting with one of the top researchers on cats as an introduced species. I was quite skeptical at first but the threat is real. Cats and rats are most disruptive to islands where there are no endemic creatures that fit the ecological role that the cats assume. Stigma against the control of cats is still a huge problem, but remember these cats are feral, and are not people's pets. The control of the cat problem is supported by many cat lovers, I suggest you read some scientific articles on just how devastating the cat and rat problem is.
                              Last edited by emmytee; 03-12-2013, 09:13 PM. Reason: forgot an "and"

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                              • #30
                                I think it's far more natural for a cat to hunt for its own food than have some mush spooned out of a can or some rock hard grain nuggets put in a bowl.
                                Our cat recently passed due to losing a fight with a snake - and yes, I mean a fight. In the past 4 or 5 years she's killed at least 10 snakes that we know of. She also kept the wild rabbit, mice, rat and cockroaches to pretty much zero. She's been gone one month and already we've had rabbits in our yard, digging in the veggie patch. We had 2 cockroaches which we literally haven't seen in YEARS! I'm dreading the Winter when the rats and mice used to show up. She also ate canned food and biscuits (I'm new to paleo - forgive me!).

                                We're picking up our new kitten from the shelter on Friday, and I plan on feeding her a 100% paleo diet. She will be offered a variety of raw meats throughout the week, and I won't be putting a bell on her pretty pink glittery collar. She will be a very pampered kitty but she needs to be able to act like a cat and be able to hunt if she wants to.

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