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  • Overpopulation, is it a myth?

    I just saw these videos, and I haven't really done more research on it, but I thought it was interesting and wondered if some of you knew more about it.



    well then

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    No. The planet does not have the capacity to support unlimited continued increase in population. It is wishful thinking to imagine otherwise.

    Back in the 70s, Zero Population Growth was considered the best way to reach sustainability. That went out the window during the Reagan years, with the influence of the religious right on policy.
    Last edited by eKatherine; 03-01-2013, 12:43 PM.

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    • #3
      I tend to stay away from Youtuba-nomics on such issues.

      Way too much scaremongering and wonky wisdom for my liking...

      It's great for watching funny cat videos though

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Have A Bang On That View Post
        I tend to stay away from Youtuba-nomics on such issues.

        Way too much scaremongering and wonky wisdom for my liking...

        It's great for watching funny cat videos though
        Also great for workouts and exercise demos.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
          Also great for workouts and exercise demos.
          That's true, once learned how to fix my car from a tutorial... got me thinking, as to why Car manufacturers still insist on printing books that come with the car and not just provide a trouble shooting dvd ?

          Would be handy for oil changes, head light changes, thats kinda thing..

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          • #6
            The earth can support the population that it already has by doing it with the current agricultural policies. But if everyone ate Primal the earth could not do so. An early statement in the podcast is wrong because it takes the landmas of the earth as an entity, while a good portion of the earth (the deserts) can support no humans or very few.
            "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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            • #7
              Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
              No. The planet does not have the capacity to support unlimited continued increase in population. It is wishful thinking to imagine otherwise.
              Ok. But do we have an idea of what the Earth's carrying capacity is exactly? Remember, we're not rabbits. We don't just eat. We plant, herd and husband. We create the food we eat. We support more people in better conditions that we ever have. People are born with one mouth but two hands.

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              • #8
                Funny you should ask because the Netherlands is a good example of why it's not a problem.

                First, the saying about real estate -- "they're not making any more of it" -- isn't true in the Netherlands.

                Second, one of the more densely populated countries on earth and yet a net food exporter.

                The Dutch rank third worldwide in value of agricultural exports, behind the United States and France, with exports earning $55 billion annually. A significant portion of Dutch agricultural exports are derived from fresh-cut plants, flowers, and bulbs, with the Netherlands exporting two-thirds of the world's total. The Netherlands also exports a quarter of all the world's tomatoes, and trade of one-third of the world's exports of chilis, tomatoes and cucumbers goes through the country. The Netherlands also exports one-fifteenth of the world's apples.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Rojo View Post
                  Ok. But do we have an idea of what the Earth's carrying capacity is exactly? Remember, we're not rabbits. We don't just eat. We plant, herd and husband. We create the food we eat. We support more people in better conditions that we ever have. People are born with one mouth but two hands.
                  So you are suggesting that we should encourage overpopulation as an experiment to see if there is infinite arable land that can be both farmed and have housing built on it at the same time, as so often I have heard suggested?

                  Most arable land is already being farmed.
                  Arable land is the most desirable and profitable for building housing.
                  Once arable land has housing built on it, it will never be farmed again.
                  A population increase results in demand for more housing.
                  Last edited by eKatherine; 03-01-2013, 02:31 PM.

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                  • #10
                    They will stack us in shipping crates that go beneath the surface of the earth.
                    "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                    Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                      So you are suggesting that we should encourage overpopulation as an experiment to see if there is infinite arable land that can be both farmed and have housing built on it at the same time, as so often I have heard suggested?
                      No. The population swell of the last two centuries led to the productive gains we've seen. Those gains in efficiency mean we now need less people. And, lo and behold, population levels are starting to fall in the West.

                      Most arable land is already being farmed.
                      Arable land is the most desirable and profitable for building housing.
                      Once arable land has housing built on it, it will never be farmed again.
                      A population increase results in demand for more housing.
                      We just went through a housing boom that had little to do with population pressures. It was a speculative mania that could've been avoided with high property taxes.

                      And I'm not sure that most arable land is being farmed. There are parts of the world that used to be farmed that aren't any more.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rojo View Post
                        No. The population swell of the last two centuries led to the productive gains we've seen. Those gains in efficiency mean we now need less people. And, lo and behold, population levels are starting to fall in the West.



                        We just went through a housing boom that had little to do with population pressures. It was a speculative mania that could've been avoided with high property taxes.

                        And I'm not sure that most arable land is being farmed. There are parts of the world that used to be farmed that aren't any more.
                        Population is falling in the West, but until it falls all over the Earth, then too many people will remain a problem.

                        The parts of the world that used to be farmed and aren't any more are generally abandoned due to being ruined. There are two pressures on farmland right now. One is housing, since people like to live in lush places. The other is that our current agricultural practices work just at this moment, but they result in dead land. So we can feed the population now, but even if we keep up with current practices, the available land will shrink.
                        http://cattaillady.com/ My blog exploring the beginning stages of learning how to homestead. With the occasional rant.

                        Originally Posted by TheFastCat: Less is more more or less

                        And now I have an Etsy store: CattailsandCalendula

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                        • #13
                          Fortunately the technocrats behind forces like the food industry are hard at work exterminating mankind
                          "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                          Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
                            Fortunately the technocrats behind forces like the food industry are hard at work exterminating mankind
                            Small problem- they aren't taking them out prior to reproductive age, so it doesn't help much.
                            http://cattaillady.com/ My blog exploring the beginning stages of learning how to homestead. With the occasional rant.

                            Originally Posted by TheFastCat: Less is more more or less

                            And now I have an Etsy store: CattailsandCalendula

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                            • #15
                              Factory farming and growing crops that strip the land of nutrients is a temporary solution to a temporary problem. I saw a PSA recently that talked about 60 years of bringing meds and food to a specific area. Really? 60 years is a long time. Sustainable foods are the only way to go. Monsanto and others who profit from bullshit practices and fake food pay the powers that be to foster the "intelligence" that says we can't feed everyone. But of course we can. If you give a man a fish he is hungry again in an hour. If you teach him to catch a fish you do him a good turn.
                              "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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