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  • #31
    Originally posted by NZ primal Gwamma View Post
    this may be all well and good - BUT - I have experienced this dog coming at me with teeth baring, hackles raised, inbreath growling - it is absolutely horrifying and sorry guys - I am not gonna stand like a tree and wait and see what happens. This is adrenalin pumping scarey stuff - please take my word for it,.
    However I have not gone back visiting these people, and my drive does not connect with theres, the wee girls drive does - so I am scared for her.
    I am a wuss at the best of times, but by crikey I will defend my brood if I have to - stand like a tree, I don't think that I will do that, but I am willing to take this idea to the parents so they can decide what is the best course of action. I do not believe in hitting animals for the hell of it - but when they are coming at you ready to tear your jugular out ................. hhhhmmmm what would Grok do ???????
    Anyway just my ramblings. I think that the Parents have lots of wonderful ideas to work through and I thank you all again for your submissions
    I know it is very scary (and HARD!!) to be still when a dog comes at you, but I have yet to try this and not have it work. Including a very angry Rottweiler with her pups in the area. I taught my nephews this and even my nine year old nephew was able to fend off an assertive dog that came at us at the dog park.
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    • #32
      I've been in this situation too. Just running down a nearby street and having a strange, fairly large dog come running right out the end of his driveway and onto the road with teeth barred and barking ferociously. I stopped running, continued to walk past on the other side of the road, as far from the dog as possible. When the stupid thing continued to come at me (I think it was a visiting dog - it seemed to have no sense of boundaries, just protecting for the sake of being a dog), I threw my arms in the air and made a lunge back at him, yelling an incoherent roar. He immediately recognized me as the dominant animal in the relationship (they are pack animals after all) and backed off. My heart was racing and I had the adrenalin shakes for several minutes afterwards, but I had won. I kept walking, he started some half-hearted barking when I was a safe distance away. Never saw the stupid beast again, though I ran that road for years afterwards. That's why I think he was just a visitor.

      Maybe Meesha needs to be taught to be "bigger" than the dog, in size by swinging her arms and lunging forward, and by yelling loudly and aggressively. It's very empowering. And hopefully will attract the attention of the owners to the issue happening.

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      • #33
        Well, I have 3 terriers. They are not the easiest dogs to train, but they love to please their owner. If the owner hates the people around - the dog will please him/her and also hate everybody in that particular dog's way. The owner has to socialise the dog from the very first moment he gets the dog, teach the dog how to react around people, little children (who have the right to scream, jump, run, wave hands, etc), bicycle riders, runners, people in uniforms, fancy dresses, drunken (non attacking), whatever animals there may be in the neighborhood - cats, cows, horses, etc. And certainly - other dogs. Thats the homework of any dog owner. Or they have to lead the dog on short leash at any time. If they don't do that - suffers the dog. Its cruel, but thats life. Nobody, even other dog owners, want a wild uncontrollable animal around attacking everybody, be it children or dogs. And it doesn't matter if its a rotveiler, pitbull or a smallish nastiness. Its totally normal to call the police or any other form of animal control you have there and get it sorted out. And it would be totally crazy if a child or grownup has to get weapons of any kind to walk home from school/work or other dog owners - to walk their dogs carrying baseball bats. Its either the owner controls the dog or there is no dog. Period.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by marthat View Post
          I've been in this situation too. Just running down a nearby street and having a strange, fairly large dog come running right out the end of his driveway and onto the road with teeth barred and barking ferociously. I stopped running, continued to walk past on the other side of the road, as far from the dog as possible. When the stupid thing continued to come at me (I think it was a visiting dog - it seemed to have no sense of boundaries, just protecting for the sake of being a dog), I threw my arms in the air and made a lunge back at him, yelling an incoherent roar. He immediately recognized me as the dominant animal in the relationship (they are pack animals after all) and backed off. My heart was racing and I had the adrenalin shakes for several minutes afterwards, but I had won. I kept walking, he started some half-hearted barking when I was a safe distance away. Never saw the stupid beast again, though I ran that road for years afterwards. That's why I think he was just a visitor.

          Maybe Meesha needs to be taught to be "bigger" than the dog, in size by swinging her arms and lunging forward, and by yelling loudly and aggressively. It's very empowering. And hopefully will attract the attention of the owners to the issue happening.
          This.

          I read utility meters for a living (almost 6 years now), so walking into a backyard unannounced and dealing with whatever dog happens to be there (surprise!) is my job. You absolutely can not run. The whole deal with dogs and cats not gettign along are because cats run from anything that chases them and dogs chase anything that runs. When you run, you're 1)turning your back on the dog and 2)getting out of their territory, both of which tell that dog he is the dominant and you are the submissive. The dog sees it works and keeps doing it.

          I am required by OSHA to carry a regular full-sized umbrella with me, which I though was the most ridiculous idea I had ever heard of. But it's honestly very effective. The point is not to beat the crap out of the dog with it, you're putting something between the two of you and giving him something to latch onto if he won't back down. A stick (about a meter/yard long) would work just as well.

          I use marthat's technique literally on a daily basis stepping toward the dog while speaking in a very loud but "in control" voice, just saying something like "Go on! Get out of here!" while making myself large and advancing on the dog. It works 99% of the time, and the only time it doesn't is when the dog is truly messed up (usually by the owners). That's when you use the umbrella/cane/stick/etc to keep their mouth busy so you don't get bit. It also works well with coyotes, which I sometimes encounter out here in the southwest desert of the US.

          While I agree that the vinegar methods may work, you do have to remember that it may make the situation worse over time, with the dog becoming even more aggressive. It's one of the reasons why meter readers and mail carriers don't get along - they're allowed to use pepper spray and we're not, so some of them spray the moderately aggressive dogs (from outside the fence, even) and they become extremely aggressive over time. Then we have to walk all the way into the backyard unarmed.

          Also, some breeds of dogs (not the breed in the original post) will not back off when in pain. If anything, it motivates them to be more aggressive and they won't let go once they have latched on. I know of one cop that shot a dog and it still wouldn't let go. In those cases, once it has latched on, the only way to make it let go is to interrupt its air supply, either by shoving something down its throat (hence the umbrella again) or tying something like a garden hose around its neck and tightening it as much as you can. Either of those will make it reflexively gasp for air and let go.

          Another idea - dogs are very protective of their paws. If it comes to a standoff, where the dog is a foot or two away and looking for an opening, then stomp at its feet. They'll usually pull their feet away, which gives you a little distance, you can get your wits about you and get establish your dominance.

          But honestly, no kid should have to go through any of this. I get paid to do it, and it's still not cool. I absolutely LOVE dogs - once this job is gone, I'm going to start a pet sitting business because spending my day with dogs and other animals is my idea of heaven - but I think allowing a dog to be aggressive toward people and other non-threatening animals is really horrendous and akin to leaving a loaded gun on your front porch (yes, I like guns too). It's irresponsible and needs to change immediately. I would talk to the neighbor, explain what is going on and let them know you WILL be calling the appropriate authorities should this ever happen again. If the dog is not restrained somehow at all times, you will be calling the police after you do whatever you need to defend yourself. If someone is bit, they will be taken to the hospital and they will be covering the entire emergency room bill. Then actually do what you said you would do.
          Durp.

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          • #35
            Right, RitaRose,
            no kid should have to go through any of this
            , the difference is that you go in the dog's territory (paid or not, dog doesn't know) but the dog in question is allowed out of its territory, however small it is, and terrorizes several families. The owner sets the boundaries for the dog, not the other way round.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by JennGlob View Post
              This is another great time for apple cider vinegar. We unfortunately have a less than pleasant lab/Pittbull (we love her, so we keep her from th public) the ACV stops her in her tracks. Get the little girl a bottle ( windex size) for her back pack, she just needs to spray it at he dog...preferably face once..chances are dog will not bother her again, if it does, she likely will just need to show the bottle to dog. Nice thing is, this is a cheap and friendly alternative. All I have to say to my dog is "I am getting the bottle" she corrects herself.
              I have a lb/pit mix who is fine with people, but will attack other dogs. I am going to carry this with in case it ever happens again. I am very careful not to let her near other dogs. I wonder if I could train her by spraying when she growls? Great idea.

              As for the OP... yes, call the police or animal control. She can kick the dog in the ribs, as warmbear mentioned. This should not be an issue. No one should have to worry about being attacked. Definitely need to report this!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by SeaHorse View Post
                ...the difference is that you go in the dog's territory (paid or not, dog doesn't know) but the dog in question is allowed out of its territory, however small it is, and terrorizes several families. The owner sets the boundaries for the dog, not the other way round.
                Exactly. I'm paid to do it, AND I'm encroaching on the dog's actual territory. Dogs should have a clearly defined area that they can feel they should protect, and the whole neighborhood is definitely not that. That's why the owners need to have a fenced area that the dog can "patrol" and feel like it's doing its job without terrorizing the neighbors. I'd be in their face about it it, to be honest, but I'm kind of like that anyway, when kids are in danger.
                Durp.

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                • #38
                  A few weeks ago a dog attacked me when jogging - first it passed me on the side - and then it tried run on me from behind and bite me in my left leg! I reacted instinctively and hit it with full force straight on its jaw, so hard that it even hurt in my heel! As a result the dog run away howling like it was hit by a car and with tail between the legs. A few minutes after the owner came with a shocked expression in his face, obviously very surprised that his beloved “pet” was hurt! I only hope that the veterinarian dentist bill will hurt the owner as well, because I hit that nasty animal very hard, but I swear that it was in self-defense of course…


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                  "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                  - Schopenhauer

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                    A few weeks ago a dog attacked me when jogging - first it passed me on the side - and then it tried run on me from behind and bite me in my left leg!
                    Which reminds me of another tip - never let an unfamiliar dog get behind you. If you have to spin like a freaking top, keep your front (dominant) or side (neutral) toward them. A lot of dogs that aren't super aggressive will try to get behind you so that you're in a submissive (according to dogs) stance and THEN they'll try to bite you. Keeping your back away from them, whether by constantly changing position or backing up against a wall, will help a lot.
                    Durp.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by NZ primal Gwamma View Post
                      this may be all well and good - BUT - I have experienced this dog coming at me with teeth baring, hackles raised, inbreath growling - it is absolutely horrifying and sorry guys - I am not gonna stand like a tree and wait and see what happens. This is adrenalin pumping scarey stuff - please take my word for it,.
                      However I have not gone back visiting these people, and my drive does not connect with theres, the wee girls drive does - so I am scared for her.
                      I am a wuss at the best of times, but by crikey I will defend my brood if I have to - stand like a tree, I don't think that I will do that, but I am willing to take this idea to the parents so they can decide what is the best course of action. I do not believe in hitting animals for the hell of it - but when they are coming at you ready to tear your jugular out ................. hhhhmmmm what would Grok do ???????
                      Anyway just my ramblings. I think that the Parents have lots of wonderful ideas to work through and I thank you all again for your submissions
                      This reminds me of recommendations that you remain perfectly still and silent while a grizzly bear is mauling you, because it may get bored and leave before you are dead.

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                      • #41
                        Yeah, sorry, but that dog would chase my kid only once. The owners would keep the dog restrained or it would be gone if it happened a second time.

                        Kids should be prepared to deal with stuff, but to put the burden of protecting herself against a known threat? What if she fails? I guess she'll learn, right? Nope, afraid those dog owners would not be happy to see me darken their door. And I promise you that dog would learn who was the real lead b*tch and not to mess with my pup.

                        I have a dog. I love her to pieces. She is my little sweetie. But any kid's safety is more important than her.

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                        • #42
                          I agree with Warmbear,running makes you prey. Even turning your back does. I have faced many dogs, large and small including pits and JR's (own a JR). Face the dog. If it is not attacking remain where you are, facing them, stand your ground and watch. As soon as AAA takes a step back Meesha should take confident step forward, the whole time thinking tough brave thoughts. She should only speak if she can do so in a deep confident voice telling AAA "NO!" AAA will most likely take another step back because once the first one is made you have won and the dog is submitting. This may have to be done on more than one occasion but eventually AAA may realize his place and behave for her even if he won't for his owners.
                          I would like to add that attitude is important. I am a fighter (run too slow to fly) so my general attitude when dealing with unsavory animals or humans is one of I will hurt you if you cross that line. I love animals and enjoy the company of most humans but I am not a pushover or a victim. I had one incident where a pit was coming at me and my first thought was "get closer and I will gladly rip your throat out." Dogs can sense that kind of energy and wisely choose to avoid it.
                          Last edited by firemanswife; 02-24-2013, 01:12 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
                            Which reminds me of another tip - never let an unfamiliar dog get behind you. If you have to spin like a freaking top, keep your front (dominant) or side (neutral) toward them. A lot of dogs that aren't super aggressive will try to get behind you so that you're in a submissive (according to dogs) stance and THEN they'll try to bite you. Keeping your back away from them, whether by constantly changing position or backing up against a wall, will help a lot.
                            Yes, I very well know the strategy of the dogs, they usually go around you first, and then they charge from behind! But I have my anti-dog strategy prepared as well, so when a suspicious dog passes me, I turn my head just a little to the side so I can see what going on behind, and when the savage wolf wannabe attack, I give it a solid kick-back that hit it straight on his jaw, or nose, with the backside of my heel! I have lately been pretty good in doing that kick-back, but I have never hit so hard as I did a few weeks ago...
                            "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                            - Schopenhauer

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                            • #44
                              wow - I cannot believe this fantastic feed back. I never knew about the front, side and back positions with dogs going around etc.....
                              I have spoken with the council, so AAA is now on record. And I will pass all these great ideas onto Meesha's parents tonight.
                              Here is hoping that the neighbour HAS gotten the message - but sadly I really doubt it. And hes moving to Aussie - sometime this year - SORRY AUSTRALIA
                              At present Meesha is being escourted up the drive morning and night, but this is definately not ideal.
                              I shall keep you posted.
                              "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

                              ...small steps....

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by NZ primal Gwamma View Post
                                wow - I cannot believe this fantastic feed back. I never knew about the front, side and back positions with dogs going around etc.....
                                I have spoken with the council, so AAA is now on record. And I will pass all these great ideas onto Meesha's parents tonight.
                                Here is hoping that the neighbour HAS gotten the message - but sadly I really doubt it. And hes moving to Aussie - sometime this year - SORRY AUSTRALIA
                                At present Meesha is being escourted up the drive morning and night, but this is definately not ideal.
                                I shall keep you posted.

                                Alot of fox terriers make sure he noise but are all talk. But seriously. Feed the dog. ..

                                Acv, pepper etc are not going to improve the behavior. Throw those schmacko treats or cat biscuits over the fence and the dog will be waiting for her every day with wagging tail. Dogs go wacko for schmackos!

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