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    Love this site and PB. I've lost weight without feeling deprive, developed a non-crazy workout routine, etc...

    However, I break from PB on a few areas.

    1. Standing -- I understand the risks of sedentary desk jobs. But standing, IMO, is not a good solution. Why? Well, because I hate it. It reminds me of Mass. And when would Grok just stand there? He'd walk, sprint, dance, lie, sit, swim. Mark has written about people in pre-industrial cultures squatting. I think he's on to something there. But standing? Bah.

    2. BAS -- I love a huge Chef's salad as much as the next person. But, on the whole, I'm not big on the daily intake of rabbit food. When I first started PB, I'd make a BAS to go with my steak. Then I realized I could just take the spinach bunch and throw it into the pan with steak, butter and onions. What's lost? I think we should take our cue here from Mediterranean cultures -- small, tasty salads with fat. The BAS is the same American thinking, more is better, that led to the Super Big Gulp.

    3. Abs -- Hmm, an anagram of item 2. Anyhow I don't get it. Putting this through the Grok-test again, how and why would a paleo develop washboard abs? You can lift heavy things, throw spears, swim, walk, run and you won't get them. To do that you have to do some sort of exercise that has no ancestral survival analog. And frankly I just don't like the looks of 'em. A flat stomach, yes. A six-pack, no.

    Feel free to heap scorn.

  • #2
    why would anybody heap scorn?
    beautiful
    yeah you are

    Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
    lol

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    • #3
      I hear you on the standing. Every other mammal besides man that I have ever seen assumes the most comfortable and lazy posture available in my experience. If you were standing around the fire, I'm sure a lot of men would say, "What the fuck is your problem? You are making us nervous, sit down fool."
      "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

      Jack london, "Before Adam"

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      • #4
        I agree with it all, except about standing. I think in our modern times, we are too sedentary in comparison, so we need to do exercise somehow. The easiest way to break the sedentaryness at least is to stand. If you walk a lot every day or exercise heavily, I do think standing may be excessive.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
          why would anybody heap scorn?
          Because we're supposed to keep moving, right?

          Oh, wait. You don't mean that literally, like with a shovel or something.

          Never mind.
          Durp.

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          • #6
            Rojo, I don't think you're too far away from a lot of the views on here.

            Eat your veggies and greens however makes you happy. If someone gets all butthurt because you don't eat them in salad form, then they need to get a life.

            Abs? Meh. Though I would like to be a little leaner than I am now, I'm 48 and I think I've earned the right to not care if I ever have them. A lot of people eat Primal because they are trying to fix a medical issue and couldn't care less if their abs look great.

            And standing. Another "meh" from me. I think the emphasis is more on moving, but that's my take on it. Standing in one place for extended periods of time actually feels like crap and I don't think it's a great idea.
            Durp.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RitaRose View Post
              Rojo, I don't think you're too far away from a lot of the views on here.
              Yeah. I'm really picking at the margins here. But I was bored.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rojo View Post
                But I was bored.
                the things that this old Gwamma could suggest for boredom...................................
                "never let the truth get in the way of a good story "

                ...small steps....

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                • #9
                  "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                  Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Rojo View Post
                    1. Standing -- I understand the risks of sedentary desk jobs. But standing, IMO, is not a good solution. Why? Well, because I hate it. It reminds me of Mass. And when would Grok just stand there? He'd walk, sprint, dance, lie, sit, swim. Mark has written about people in pre-industrial cultures squatting. I think he's on to something there. But standing? Bah.
                    Well, we really aren't doing "grok re-enactment" here. In my own case, I actually practice standing to improve my posture. It can be incredibly helpful to do so. I spend about 30 minutes a day on just standing properly alone, which is a heck of a work out, let me tell you. LOL

                    This is, of course, because I've been working with a physio and getting training in something called Postural Patterning. I'm taking the training on how to teach others how to fix their posture, so I spend a lot of time working on my own.

                    That being said, I don't have a standing desk or anything like that. I sit at a desk. But I also make sure that I get up and stand at least once an hour (practicing posture), that I walk throughout the day, and of course, I teach yoga classes, so there is movement in there. I also do yoga once a day and I do pilates twice a week, and what not and wherefore. So, I'm not really quite as sedentary as some may be.

                    2. BAS -- I love a huge Chef's salad as much as the next person. But, on the whole, I'm not big on the daily intake of rabbit food. When I first started PB, I'd make a BAS to go with my steak. Then I realized I could just take the spinach bunch and throw it into the pan with steak, butter and onions. What's lost? I think we should take our cue here from Mediterranean cultures -- small, tasty salads with fat. The BAS is the same American thinking, more is better, that led to the Super Big Gulp.
                    I think this is largely a matter of taste and desire. Yesterday, we cooked two heads of broccoli and half a head of cauliflower for our family dinner (3 folks). we also had steaks. We wanted more veggies. We ran out of this delicious veg. Other days, there are left-overs. Sometimes you want more, sometimes you want less. I don't feel like it's a matter of needing to "Big Gulp" anything. FOllow your tastes and hunger cues, and you're good to go.

                    3. Abs -- Hmm, an anagram of item 2. Anyhow I don't get it. Putting this through the Grok-test again, how and why would a paleo develop washboard abs? You can lift heavy things, throw spears, swim, walk, run and you won't get them. To do that you have to do some sort of exercise that has no ancestral survival analog. And frankly I just don't like the looks of 'em. A flat stomach, yes. A six-pack, no.
                    This is also like 2 -- it's a matter of taste. My husband loves to lift weights. He LOVES it the way I love yoga (and now standing and doing pilates -- lol!). He also loves the idea of gaining muscle without gaining fat, as well as being leaner from doing primal. As such, he loves that he's this 8%-ish body fat and can gain muscle. And yes, he has an 8-pack.

                    Interestingly, I never figured that I would get all six-pack-y. But, since I've been working posture, and apparently getting leaner through no express effort -- I'm starting to see it.

                    I dont' think of it in terms of "it must be a goal!!!!" but rather, you know, if you want it and/or it happens for you, then ok. And if not, then OK too.

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                    • #11
                      I've pretty much competly axed the salads myself - and do exactly what you do with the greens.

                      Spinach, bok choy, chard, mixed greens, kale, whatever - I use literally pounds of the stuff fried in the grease from my steak, bacon, etc... Delicious!!!
                      "It's a great life, if you don't weaken.". John Buchan

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                      • #12
                        I'm a part time lunch lady, so standing is required. However, when working a real job, I didn't have time to stand. Just have to do what makes you comfortable and happy. Honestly, I think so many of us are hyperactive, so standing and moving is easier than sitting.
                        Primal since 4/7/2012

                        Starting weight 140
                        Current weigh 126

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                        • #13
                          Cooking destroys enzymes. For good health you should have a mix of raw, fermented and cooked food
                          Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

                          Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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                          • #14
                            Desk jockey here. I moved to stand up desk and by noon my back ached so I moved to a chair. After a few months, that evaporated, presumably I built strength in my postural muscles, which is a good thing. These days I am up and down, standing , sitting, walking around. Anything that keeps you from just sitting for a long time is good.

                            Regarding abs, good old grok would have had them and they would have been damn strong. Whether they would be visible or not depends entirely on his body fat. His goal may well have been to pack on enough body fat to hide his abs. Who knows? I highly doubt he wen to the gym and did mindless crunches.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Rojo View Post

                              Feel free to heap scorn.
                              No scorn here. I agree with you on the standing, the salads and the abs.

                              I ate a vegan kale salad today. I just don't get it. That is some hard-to-eat roughage. Later I had some French food for dinner. A couple of spinach leaves under my mashed potatoes and filet mignon. That's more like it. And heck, why stand when you can sit. Why sit when you can lie down. That's my way of life. Why abs when you are female?
                              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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