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  • #16
    I agree completely Rojo. 100%
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    • #17
      Hey Rojo. I don't understand the title reference to "breaking ranks" as if you were in the army and Mark were the drill sergeant.

      The standing thing is a way to get total desk jockeys to at least do something during work hours. Mark never said this was better than or a substitute for all the things in the PBF like walking, sprinting, and lifting heavy things.

      I am totally with you on ditching the bunny food. I think the BAS and piles of veggies are our collective last concession to the CW mindset. "See, this is a HEALTHY diet. We eat lots of vegetables. We aren't weird at all." I've embraced the weird and now my veggies are for flavoring/decoration purposes.

      Nobody ever said you had to have abs like Mark. Then again, he does look nice in swimwear.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
        Nobody ever said you had to have abs like Mark. Then again, he does look nice in swimwear.
        Amen.
        Durp.

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        • #19
          I used to use a gym ball to sit at my desk, but that was at home and allowed. Pretty good, because I could sit and roll back and forth and swirl my hips instead of just being sedentary in the chair.

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          • #20
            I used to hate to stand for long periods and then my massage therapist/bodywork guy, Steven, taught me how to sit properly (rock back and forth and find the comfy spot between pelvic bones and your genitalia (insert joke here) which for me means sitting slightly more forward (lower back is then not slumped toward back of chair and front is not hunched over). Anyway, magically, when I practiced changing a decades old bad sitting habit, I suddenly liked to stand A LOT more and can do both comfortably for longer periods of time. And, my back pain did improve dramatically. (He worked on my extremely tight pecs and gave me a few stretches to do and that also helped tremendously). Steven said that if I learned to sit properly I would be able to sit on any surface comfortably and he was right. I can now sit on a picnic table and listen to my favorite local band for hours with no problem. I used to bring my lawn chair. I also find myself standing up a lot more during activities where I would sit down. I used to wonder why some people chose to stand when they could sit and now I find myself entering their ranks. I think I will get a standing desk soon. That will be much entertainment for my co-workers who love observing my interesting health habits while eating fast food.

            I think it's interesting to note what little children do. I notice that little kids stand a lot more than most adults. Of course, they also run a lot more than most adults. They are just more active in general, but they haven't learned as many bad postural habits that make movement/standing difficult or painful.

            As for the salads, I do agree that it's good to eat raw foods for at least part of our diet. The solution I have found to this which works really well for my husband (not exactly primal) and I is to make chopped salads in my food processor. I'm going to post directions in the recipe section soon. I can eat so many more fresh, raw vegetables this way. And you can basically make the salad and dressing at the same time. My husband really likes not having to chew huge pieces of spinach or lettuce. I still enjoy cooked greens almost daily but I also do the salad thing almost daily also for a good combination of the two.

            I think we do have to find the healthy habits that work for us and not worry too much about it.
            True healthcare reform starts in your kitchen, not in Washington. ~Anonymous
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            • #21
              Originally posted by shat View Post
              As for the salads, I do agree that it's good to eat raw foods for at least part of our diet. The solution I have found to this which works really well for my husband (not exactly primal) and I is to make chopped salads in my food processor. I'm going to post directions in the recipe section soon. I can eat so many more fresh, raw vegetables this way. And you can basically make the salad and dressing at the same time. My husband really likes not having to chew huge pieces of spinach or lettuce. I still enjoy cooked greens almost daily but I also do the salad thing almost daily also for a good combination of the two.
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              • #22
                I'm not going to stand at the computer. It's just not going to happen. If I die 5 years sooner because of it, so be it. I already worry about outliving my money anyway. (Longevity runs in my family.)

                I like a big ass salad - once in a while. I wouldn't want one every day.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by JBailey View Post
                  I can't read this and not share my fave pop culture annoying video DJ Steve Porter featuring Vince Offer - "Slap Chop Rap" - YouTube
                  I used to love the Slap Chop ad just for "You're gonna love my nuts!"

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                  • #24
                    I don't even eat salads. Hate them. Can't stand them. I love my vegetables but not in a salad.
                    F 28/5'4/100 lbs

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                    • #25
                      I dont' stand very long because it makes me light-headed. I do drink plenty of water, but still, if I have to stand more than a few minutes, I start to get dizzy.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
                        Hey Rojo. I don't understand the title reference to "breaking ranks" as if you were in the army and Mark were the drill sergeant.
                        Yeah, after posting I thought, "sounds rather dramatic".

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                        • #27
                          I can't find the article now, but I remember reading about how standing for most of the day increases the diameter of arteries to the point where even if a lot of plaque develops, it won't block the arteries because of how plain huge they are. Thankfully, I'm a full-time phlebotomist and I get to stand and push a cart around all night for ten hour shifts, so I get my slow movement and standing in easily. But, as stated above, PB is designed to turn the 350-pound McDonald's addict away from an early grave and set toward better health.

                          Having your own ideas and being your own guru are both encouraged. You have not broken ranks, you've thought for yourself. The salad thing is mainly a lure to get lazy CW dieters to take this WOE seriously. Several of us are almost solid carnivores, or eat as such for long stretches at a time. Do what works, find science that both supports and discredits your ideas, and live well in the mean time. Do what works for you. Don't feel obligated to follow anyone. They are not you!
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                          • #28
                            I'd rather have a big-ass-breakfast, then I can skip the BAS lunch all together .
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                            • #29
                              I think there's a difference between moving around in a standing position and standing still in one position. A mix of moving, sitting, and standing is probably best.

                              The BAS isn't my thing. The only salad I absolutely love is a traditional Caesar's Salad. But until I find a primal crouton I like, those are on the back burner. Sauteed veggies, or greens cooked inside a burger or stir fry are lovely, but all that cold crunchy stuff never did it for me.

                              As to the abs, I kind of look at M&F as gentle porn. Those guys are fun to look at, but really, men who spend that much time on their appearance whether at a gym or on hair product sort of come off as girly-men to me. JMO, but guys in glasses from too much reading are the bigger turn on.
                              "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                                Those guys are fun to look at, but really, men who spend that much time on their appearance whether at a gym or on hair product sort of come off as girly-men to me. JMO, but guys in glasses from too much reading are the bigger turn on.
                                As I guy, that's kinda how I see it. I don't aspire to have 6% body fat or to even be cut. I'd like my stomach not to stick out further than my chest. I'd like to not have man-boobs. I'd like to be healthy, active and mobile.

                                And I want to do this while still having time to pursue stuff (currently, Jungian psychology, Marxian economics) that interests me.

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