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  • #61
    Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
    For reference, I am now a size 10/12. Sizing on clothes has changed. Significantly. Marilyn would be a size 2 today.
    Understood. The idea of the speaker was not to be realistic or honest. His plan was to make teenagers wearing a size 14 feel good about themselves because Marilyn was a size 14 and it is society's fault that a size 2 is now fashionable not a size 14. The fact that the sizes are now completely different would derail his message and therefore is ignored.

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    • #62
      I haven't looked but I'm assuming that the photos are all of women, since I haven't heard any mention of men. Interesting.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by Legbiter View Post
        Yeah, Monroe in her prime was a slender babe. No idea where this notion of her as a "curvy" chubster came from.
        If you can find the movie "Some Like It Hot" rent it and you will see that yes, she had a lot of jiggling in her caboose. Tiny waist though.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by little vase View Post
          I haven't looked...
          Think Jabba the Hut's sisters, except worse.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by little vase View Post
            I haven't looked but I'm assuming that the photos are all of women, since I haven't heard any mention of men. Interesting.
            Why is it interesting?

            Men are generally not called beautiful and most have far fewer issues with body image and the mental illnesses that can result from them. Put up 10 pictures of fat dudes and most guys would laugh.

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            • #66
              I think a big thing for women is an understanding of body type. Marilyn Monroe can not starve herself into a Kate Moss. However, fashion (and the media) dictates one body type- the tall waif as beautiful, while meanwhile the rest of society (ie, men) think that pretty much any body without rolls of fat is awesome. Tiny petite to tall and curvy. Guys love big asses and small.

              I think riding is a great illustration. The best horseback riders are all different shapes and sizes, olympians have ranged from petite women to stocky men to tall lanky men to plus sized women. About the only shape you don't see at the top of the sport is the very top heavy with a short leg and long upperbody(physics). Yet you have "equitation" classes targeted to young girls and it is a focus on the riders style- so what wins is tall/long legs, thin, short upper body. So you have very fit but short legged girls trying to starve themselves into a body type they will never have. The thin long legs and short upper body looks great on a horse, very elegant, but is not necessarily the most effective type for riding a horse.

              So... yeah, the long thin body looks great in all sorts of crazy clothes. But it's not necessarily the sexiest body naked or the most appealing to men. We would do better to make it less about weight and size and more about embracing your body shape at a healthy weight.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by gopintos View Post
                I looked mostly at their eyes. No one looked happy, at all.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by gopintos View Post
                  I looked mostly at their eyes. No one looked happy, at all.
                  I can't remember any lean cat walk model that looked happy either...
                  "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                    If you can find the movie "Some Like It Hot" rent it and you will see that yes, she had a lot of jiggling in her caboose. Tiny waist though.
                    Saw that black fringed dress she wore in this movie on Antiques Roadshow (yes I'm a nerd). They remarked about how tiny Marilyn was, curvy yes, but very petite in stature. It was pretty crazy looking at 2 regular sized people (sometime in the 00s I think) standing next to this little tiny dress...
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                    • #70
                      Originally Posted by little vase
                      I haven't looked but I'm assuming that the photos are all of women, since I haven't heard any mention of men. Interesting.
                      word. Haha along came the vase and shit's changed! It literally didn't even occur to me to discuss male fatness in this thread, or to expect to see men. Very interesting.

                      Why is it interesting?
                      because we have obviously rather deeply internalized that women are the ones to worry about fatness and that there is some divide between fat and not fat women on some existential level, but do not instinctively perceive, question, analyze, or discuss this in men. I think it is interesting also. I am glad that Mr/s Vase pointed it out.

                      Men are generally not called beautiful and most have far fewer issues with body image and the mental illnesses that can result from them.
                      Hahaha

                      sure.


                      Don't you think that sports is a good way for man body-issues people to escape their shame and such? Other traditional male outlet bullshit? Electronic pornography marathons?

                      Now that I think about it, women tend to treat body issues as vocal spokesperson jews treat racism.

                      Put up 10 pictures of fat dudes and most guys would laugh.
                      Interesting...lol
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                      • #71
                        Now that I think about it, women tend to treat body issues as vocal spokesperson jews treat racism.
                        I will tell you that I as an obese woman had fewer opportunities professionally and personally than I do as a "normal" sized woman. I'm not going to judge if it is fair or not, but being attractive gets you very far professionally, as a woman, and being considered unattractive can prevent a career in many industries.

                        People treat me differently now and are more willing to engage and make eye contact. When I was obese, I was invisible and that is not good professionally. For example, as a size 20, if I was at a professional function no men would approach me. Now as a size 12 they happily approach me, make eye contact and listen to what I have to say.

                        I've even had a client comment on how "I can't possibly shop at WalMart as my ass is not large enough". Of course, you never going to hear these comments when you are fat.

                        For me, getting down to a certain weight has improved how I am treated by people and increased opportunities for me. I don't think things change as much (at least in business) for fat men. To me, it is a question of meeting a certain beauty standard that men are not required to meet. It is what it is, but in a business meeting, men are going to react much more favorably to the size 12 me versus the size 20 me and it isn't out of concern for my health.

                        The good thing is that it's not as if we all need to be size 2 to get respect, you just need to be healthy.

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                        • #72
                          Nothing I said dismisses the idea that overweight people suffer from idiotic superstititious degradation at the hands of feeble-minded conformists. I'm saying though, see how you went and attributed it to womanness also? Like fat men have it made...lol
                          "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                          Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                          • #73
                            What Mr.Perfidy said, and said well.

                            I'm doing Primal and lifting weights to get healthy and like myself. I am not actively trying to make myself sexy to men ( that is the ultimate goal for some, but not for me..... ), and I am not judging anyone. Women need to be kinder to each other. This kind of feeling so free to analyze other women's bodies makes me, as a woman, really uncomfortable. Like it could be me.

                            And whoever said men's bodies aren't beautiful? Of course they are. Maybe not sexualized in the same way that women's bodies are, but certainly beautiful.
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                            • #74
                              In canio's defense, he(she?) [we totally need little gender tag logos here] said that people do not usually REFER to men's bodies as beautiful.

                              But that's because we are a very homophobic collection of civilizations, in general, and culture is male-dominated and male-targeting I think, so men would have to be saying that other men are beautiful, and it makes their buttholes tight to think this.
                              "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                              Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                              • #75
                                Like fat men have it made...lol
                                Maybe not sexually, but professionally, I have seen more fat men succeed than fat women. Fat men are more accepted in professional circles.

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