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  • #16
    Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
    Economies of scale relate to how the cost of producing something goes down as the ability to produce more of those items go up. So, theoretically, the more animals that were raised in a healthful manner, the less it would cost to produce each one, so more would be produced, etc., until the consumer saw a price reduction.

    Eg: the amount of computer you can buy today for about $350 would have probably cost you $1500 in 1990.

    I'm not sure how long it would take for the price to actually go down, but if subsidies went to sustainable farming practices, and got taken away from CAFO producers, the difference in prices between the two would certainly decrease.

    So a person today that thinks, "I'm not paying twice as much for grass fed," if the prices got closer, might think that a 50% price difference wasn't so bad. And so on.
    Can you explain to me how economies of scale positively affect the way animals are raised the way we like them to be?
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    • #17
      I don't really know enough about farming/raising livestock to be able to tell you anything specific. I'm guessing though that if one buys a thousand acres, it might cost less per acre than someone who buys 20 acres. And the seed to grass it would cost less per pound the more pounds you bought. So, if by chance those two assumptions are correct, then the production cost per animal would also go down.

      That's all I have.

      I don't actually think that the price of grass fed/wild/organic is over-priced, though I did when I first went primal fairly seriously. I think that CAFO/farmed/non-organic is artificially underpriced because of subsidies and the fact that the product is substandard if you compare it to the more healthy model.

      If more people want it, more people will produce it. If more people produce it, there will be more competition. In theory, the more producers and competition, the cheaper the end product.
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      • #18
        The supply and demand graphs are different and settle on an equilibrium price depend on how much they are affected by regulations and increases/decreases in supply and demand. I don't think you could apply a blanket statement assuming that prices will go down automatically because the supply will go down. There are other variables affecting the price as well.
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        • #19
          One thing I have heard is that when the white man came to America there were more bison on the plains than there are cattle now today.

          One thing I saw on a drive through Utah last summer put the whole stupidity of our current system into perspective. On one side of the interstate was a feedlot with cattle standing on bandini mountains of their own poop and being fed whatever feed that had to be brought in with a truck. Unclear from where, but my bet was that they probably trucked their feed in from far away, not from the alfalfa field directly on the other side of the freeway.
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          • #20
            Paleo is over.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
              Paleo is over.
              I wish. Then I wouldn't come home empty handed after finding out my farmer's market ran out of pork belly.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by PeaceCorpsCaveMan View Post
                Wait a minute. Did we just stumble upon the same argument between free market economics and communism/socialism?
                +1000
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
                  Paleo is over.
                  But invoking violet flames is all the rage?

                  Originally posted by sakura_girl View Post
                  I wish. Then I wouldn't come home empty handed after finding out my farmer's market ran out of pork belly.
                  So, so, true.

                  And the pastured/organic duck and chicken offal!
                  It always runs out before the whole meat does.
                  Last edited by cori93437; 02-14-2013, 09:44 PM.
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                  ~Friedrich Nietzsche
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                    but almost all of them have jumped on the rotisserie chicken bandwagon
                    wait, what is wrong with rotisserie chicken? other than that WF covers it in some stupid hippie herb concoction that is totally unnecessary and often off-putting?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by fiercehunter View Post
                      Paleo is over.
                      Interesting. Why?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by specsAreGrok View Post
                        wait, what is wrong with rotisserie chicken? other than that WF covers it in some stupid hippie herb concoction that is totally unnecessary and often off-putting?
                        Nothing really wrong with it, except maybe it's CAFO (which I admit I very occasionally eat), but I was really using it as an example of how people are choosing store-prepared foods over cooking for themselves. Get home from work, slap a chicken in the oven, change clothes, wash off day grunge, answer email, meditate for 10 min, chicken is done (with no hippie herbs).
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                        • #27
                          I believe in a government funded healthcare plan, but what if everybody keeps getting sicker at the rate they are today? Healthy citizens of all ages will unavoidably be paying the bills for all the sick people caused by the government-sponsored diet.

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                          • #28
                            I think when you live in the community of man, we all pay for each other in one way or another. I go to a movie and pay full price, and I'm subsidizing the seat of a child who paid less than I did even though we each take up one seat. I pay my auto insurance, and even though I'm in a low risk group, I'm paying for the person with 15 minutes road experience or the person distracted by a cell phone or screaming children or the fact that I live in a zip code known for partying and tourists. I'm older, so everyone will pay for the fact that I'm closer to my life's end and I'll probably start needing more medical attention (though so far, knock on wood, I've hardly needed any).

                            The only way to not pay for our neighbors and not have them pay for us is to live in isolation. It's a valid choice, but it's a tough one. And even then, you'll pay property taxes which reflect non-profits and churches who get breaks on their property taxes.
                            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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