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    Hi all,

    I'm not sure what is wrong, I feel really guilty though as my eating seems to have gone out of kilter and I am beating myself up about it and wondering what is wrong.

    I have been getting on ok with primal up until the weekend just gone.

    My OH and I went out on Saturday evening to see some friends (no alcohol for me as I have given it up). We'd had a good day food-wise. However, when we got home I devoured two bacon sandwiches (we had some bread left in the freezer) and a 90% Lindt chocolate bar even though by the time I got halfway through the chocolate bar I felt sick

    I've bought 90% Lindt before and been able to eat one square per evening which has previously been enough to satisfy me.

    I kind of thought it was just an 'off' moment and carried on eating primal. Then yesterday my OH went out and bought a chocolate bar for himself and a dark chocolate one for me as we were craving something sweet. The bar had 15 squares and I ate the whole lot.

    And again tonight, it came to dinner time and I was craving something sweet. However, I cooked some steak and vegetables and that seemed to satisfy me. However, an hour later I decided to raid the last of the cereal we had lying round and eat a bowl (I know, I should have thrown it sooner), again until I was full to bursting.

    At these points I have eaten when I have not even been hungry. I'm concerned as to what is going on.

    I don't know if this has links with me previously having an eating disorder, or maybe I am not eating enough during the day and I am getting these sweet cravings.

    I feel like I should apologise as I feel like I have let myself and the people on here down as everyone else seems to be doing so well

    Any advice welcome please x
    Last edited by Lilith; 02-13-2013, 03:06 PM.
    Lilith

    'Be yourself, everyone else is taken' - Oscar Wilde

  • #2
    I have temptations like you do, but with a slight difference. I think that they are partly due to missing something from my diet, maybe as simple as not enough calories. Two things you can do:
    1. Get rid of all of the junk in your house. That makes it off limits
    2. Give yourself permission to eat as much treat foods as you want, but know in advance what those treat foods are

    For me that's bananas and cream. Any time I'm hungry in the evening, I can have a banana (microwaved until soft with lots of fluid pooling) topped with melted dark chocolate and with about a cup of cream. That is divine and very filling. If I'm still peckish I have another one. I've never needed to have 3 in a row
    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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    • #3
      No need to beat yourself up--ever!

      Probably Magnesium deficiency. Very common, when going Primal since grains are a primary source in the Western diet.

      Try 400-600 mg Magnesium Citrate or Glycinate before bed.
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      • #4
        Thanks for your replies. All junk has now been removed

        Thanks for the recommendation Dragonfly, I will look into the magnesium. Does this deficiency 'sort itself out' in time or should I be taking it from now on?
        Lilith

        'Be yourself, everyone else is taken' - Oscar Wilde

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        • #5
          You need magnesium, so if your diet doesn't have it, you should supplement.
          Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

          Griff's cholesterol primer
          5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
          Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
          TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
          bloodorchid is always right

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          • #6
            Yup. Unless you eat a LOT of seafood, or you live in one of the few places with high Mag water, you are likely to be deficient and need it long-term.
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            • #7
              Hey Lilith,

              This actually comes up A LOT! Many people struggle with different aspects of dietary change, at different intervals - so don't feel bad!

              I just posted this on another thread - thought it might be relevant to you too:

              You know, I had the exact same problem. Was super strict for the first month, then went on a binging frenzy. This kept happening (restricting, binging) for several months. I had an ED prior to the dietary change, but it got a lot worse for quite a few months.

              The ethos of Primal - real food, healthy living, is fantastic, but first you need to question why you are doing this diet. Is it for weight loss? Or is it to be healthy? I think the people who do it for weight loss but who come saddled with a lot of food phobias find their binging gets out of control.

              It was only when I realised I was projecting a lot of fears and neurosis onto food (and my body), and started to deal with the underlying emotions that I stopped binging. Although not everyone binges for emotional reasons. Some people are just physically hooked to the food. My instinct is that if you went a month without eating it, and then went back on it, that's not the case for you, and there is an underlying issue that needs to be addressed.

              Restricting food groups, "healthy eating" is just papering over the cracks IMO.
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • #8
                Trust me, not everyone here is "doing well." That's why we have the forum. To help each other when things go off the rails.

                A couple of other things to think about- PMS? I eat anything and everything at that time of the month. Primal or not. Other emotional/stressful things that just cropped up? That makes me crave sweets, particularly at the end of the day.

                A possible stop-gap would be to stuff yourself on fats and proteins earlier in the day for a little while. This makes sure that you aren't accidentally shorting yourself on calories, and while you might want that sweet at the end of the day, *groan* eating it will actually make you pop.
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                • #9
                  YogaBare, I love that answer.

                  I've have issues with food/restricting/overeating ever since I can remember. So far, primal has worked amazingly, but I am definitely aware of the danger of falling back into old patters.
                  Anyway, excellent write-up.

                  Lilith, I wish you much success.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GioMetry View Post
                    YogaBare, I love that answer.

                    I've have issues with food/restricting/overeating ever since I can remember. So far, primal has worked amazingly, but I am definitely aware of the danger of falling back into old patters.
                    Anyway, excellent write-up.
                    Really happy it resonated with you I remember I read a story years ago about a morbidly obese man who went from 550 to a regular weight, and back again... twice! After his third weight loss he gave an interview and said where he had gone wrong was dealing with "the outer problem, not the inner problem". That's always really stuck with me.

                    People often look for quick fixes instead of addressing the (scarey) underlying emotions and issues. These become addictions, and the addiction becomes the "problem", but really it's just a symptom. I could write about this a lot...

                    Originally posted by losemetss
                    i think so,that's not the case for you, and there is an underlying issue that needs to be addressed.thank you
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                    "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                    In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                    - Ray Peat

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                    • #11
                      Hey, I was stuggling with sweet cravings, and massive appite at the start of the year - I tried eating more carbs, in the form of fruit, more roots and sweet potatoes - that didn't work for me. So I tried a leptin reset. So far that is working for me.

                      Some people can eat primal and everything falls into place, others have to tweek and can gain weight even while eating strict primal and working out. I fall into the second catergory - don't mean this isn't the best way to eat, I just have to tweek till I find what works for me, which I seem to have done for now untill something changes.
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                      • #12
                        Thanks all, I feel so daft because it's like it is staring me in the face, and I even posted a thread before this one about my stress levels! You don't really know until people point it out to you

                        The stresses I have in my life right now are:

                        My job
                        I don't enjoy it and I have a lot of responsibility which I am bearing the brunt of.

                        Home
                        We want to move out of our rented house and need to do this by April (the contract runs out then). I like to be proactive, but I am searching for rented houses now when we can't move until April, at which point they'll probably be gone!

                        Wedding - OH and I aren't even engaged yet but I'm really excited about us getting married and have started looking around at venues etc - the only thing holding it all up is that we're waiting for OH's divorce to be finalised. Therefore, we can't book a registrar, nor a venue, therefore can't do much of anything so why am I trawling through the internet and getting stressed out because I can't find a dress I like?! We're trying to do a wedding on a budget so I am searching the internet for good deals to get an idea of prices, but I seem to have gone all obsessed

                        My 'problem' is that I get worked up about things, whereas I need to sit back and be patient and trust that things will fall into place when they need to. Instead however, I end up getting stressed out and trying to plan for things when there really is no point. Plus, my sleep has been all over the place this week and it's been taking me an hour or so to fall asleep.

                        I stopped drinking alcohol late-December last year, and alcohol was the thing I turned to when I was stressed. So perhaps these binges might be a potential new coping-mechanism if I don't get them under control.
                        Lilith

                        'Be yourself, everyone else is taken' - Oscar Wilde

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                        • #13
                          I used to do that, too, but worse. I'd eat a whole Hot n Ready pizza or three bags of gummi worms, etc. But whatever I was craving, I'm getting it now! As you've heard me say before, liver covers most of your bases. Between liver, seaweed, eggs, etc. there's not much missing.

                          But I second the magnesium! It's only good for you, so there's no harm in adding it for awhile to see if it helps. The three things I supplement - mag, phos and D3, all work together to build bone, lower blood pressure and more.

                          You aren't me, and we don't eat the exact same foods. Just for kicks, plug all your food into a food calculator a few times, just to see the micronutrient content. You might be low in something unexpected.
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                          • #14
                            Thanks Knifegill,

                            I love liver but haven't thought to buy any since going primal - duh! Our food shop is coming next week so I have put it on the list

                            Will get onto iherb as I ordered some Omega 369 from there before.
                            Lilith

                            'Be yourself, everyone else is taken' - Oscar Wilde

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                            • #15
                              I think your body is craving nutrients. Additionally it sounds like you haven't gotten through the carb lust stage of your primal transformation. I would recommend eating as many nutritional super foods (sardines, raw carrots, kale, egg yolks, liver, blue berries etc) as possible and THROWING AWAY EVERYTHING IN YOUR HOUSE THAT YOU WILL FEEL BAD FOR EATING LATER. Honestly this is the simplest thing to do and reaps tremendous rewards. I highly doubt without sweet things in your house you will feel the need to drive somewhere to get junk food or dark chocolate.
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